ED violation

[Anonymous]

ED and ethics are at odds to begin with. If you were so concerned with Ethics, you would be using your purse to keep the poor students out.

Early decision policies at colleges and universities favor wealthy families and create additional barriers for marginalized communities. Period.

[Anonymous]

At my kid's high school, they warned us that every year some competitive families would write letters to universities snitching on other students they believed didn't belong there due to undisclosed academic crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:At my kid's high school, they warned us that every year some competitive families would write letters to universities snitching on other students they believed didn't belong there due to undisclosed academic crimes.

What else is left to do other than snitch.

Use wealth to enter ED lane, their student has subpar academics even for an ED pool, try to get them in where they dont belong, and then Snitch. Somewhere in there make a fool of themselves talking about ethics.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a kid who applied and accept ED by the rules. For those who say MYOB, you're off base. This is OP's business because this kid could be taking a slot away from another classmate, even OP's kid. Schools absolutely compare applicants to others at their school.

Still, OP you don't have all the facts, so I think contacting the schools is an overreach. Contacting the high school counselor is the right level of intervention for you. The counselor can look into it and take it from their. Tell them their concerns based on what you know and then let them do their job.

No, contacting the counselor is not the right level of intervention — OP does not have all the facts. One of the parents could have recently lost a job; the vacation could have been paid by another family member. Any number of things could have happened that changed the calculus of the situation — and it is none of OP’s business. The counselor will find out one way or the other, but does not need OP tattling on the family.

We have a multi-generational family living in our expensive neighborhood. One of the family members is a single mom doing her best to raise her children on a low-income job, but she shares the home with her parent and other family members, which affords her the opportunity to send her children to a good school district. Other family members pay for the family vacation every year, but she really cannot afford college or other wealthy amenities. She has every right to wait to determine if she will receive enough financial aid for her child (especially since FAFSA is delayed).

[Anonymous]

Who cares about your cherry picked single mom who gets comped on vacations? If the kid in question is innocent, letting the impacted schools as well as the HS college counseling staff know will have no impact. On the very likely chance that she and her parents are actually violating the ED agreement, she may have to pay the piper. The OP has every right to pursue this further.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a kid who applied and accept ED by the rules. For those who say MYOB, you're off base. This is OP's business because this kid could be taking a slot away from another classmate, even OP's kid. Schools absolutely compare applicants to others at their school.

Still, OP you don't have all the facts, so I think contacting the schools is an overreach. Contacting the high school counselor is the right level of intervention for you. The counselor can look into it and take it from their. Tell them their concerns based on what you know and then let them do their job.

No, contacting the counselor is not the right level of intervention — OP does not have all the facts. One of the parents could have recently lost a job; the vacation could have been paid by another family member. Any number of things could have happened that changed the calculus of the situation — and it is none of OP’s business. The counselor will find out one way or the other, but does not need OP tattling on the family.

We have a multi-generational family living in our expensive neighborhood. One of the family members is a single mom doing her best to raise her children on a low-income job, but she shares the home with her parent and other family members, which affords her the opportunity to send her children to a good school district. Other family members pay for the family vacation every year, but she really cannot afford college or other wealthy amenities. She has every right to wait to determine if she will receive enough financial aid for her child (especially since FAFSA is delayed).

This is a far less likely scenario than selfish actions and dishonesty, but, sure, it's possible. Which is why PP is correct that contacting the school counselor is the way to go. They will find out and act accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they booked this vacation a year ago? A lot of trips are non-refundable. You don't know -and a trip to the Caribbean is a fraction of the cost of college multiplied by four years. Also, a family's financial situation can change. Let it rest.

get real .The ED contract is signed by the parents and the student in front of the high school college counselor whose job it is to make SURE the parents know that ED is BINDING. The colleges don't like it when students violate the contract. The high school doesn't like it. The college counselor doesn't like it and may refuse to help the student with future applications (sending LOC and transcripts) and yes you are hurting the chances of your kids' fellow classmates. To violate the contract does impact upon the school's reputation and may impact - as noted above - on chances for students to get into the university the next year. See mailing that Sidwell had to send around above.

Even so, stay in your own lane.

I'm in my own lane. I am not OP. I am responding to the idiot talking about booking a vacation and how that somehow excuses the ED contract.

DS accepted his ED1 school. While I’m certain I knew he applied ED1, neither of us remember the actual signing of the agreement. Certainly not in person with the counselor. Not sure what or when the counselor signed. I’m just pointing out that it’s not the holy ritual that pp seems to think it is.

DP. It's clear and short. I remember signing, but, even if I forgot about the act of signing, I would have read what it said at the time and noted tge binding nature. It's not like some long website agreement tgat people check and move on. It's short and clear. Also, in our case, DD's counselor also double checked on that. I think the counselor also has to sign that they made sure the family understands.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they booked this vacation a year ago? A lot of trips are non-refundable. You don't know -and a trip to the Caribbean is a fraction of the cost of college multiplied by four years. Also, a family's financial situation can change. Let it rest.

get real .The ED contract is signed by the parents and the student in front of the high school college counselor whose job it is to make SURE the parents know that ED is BINDING. The colleges don't like it when students violate the contract. The high school doesn't like it. The college counselor doesn't like it and may refuse to help the student with future applications (sending LOC and transcripts) and yes you are hurting the chances of your kids' fellow classmates. To violate the contract does impact upon the school's reputation and may impact - as noted above - on chances for students to get into the university the next year. See mailing that Sidwell had to send around above.

Even so, stay in your own lane.

I'm in my own lane. I am not OP. I am responding to the idiot talking about booking a vacation and how that somehow excuses the ED contract.

DS accepted his ED1 school. While I’m certain I knew he applied ED1, neither of us remember the actual signing of the agreement. Certainly not in person with the counselor. Not sure what or when the counselor signed. I’m just pointing out that it’s not the holy ritual that pp seems to think it is.

DP. It's clear and short. I remember signing, but, even if I forgot about the act of signing, I would have read what it said at the time and noted tge binding nature. It's not like some long website agreement tgat people check and move on. It's short and clear. Also, in our case, DD's counselor also double checked on that. I think the counselor also has to sign that they made sure the family understands.

This right here. Unless your DC is homeschooled, there is no way that a kid doesn’t know what they are signing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At my kid's high school, they warned us that every year some competitive families would write letters to universities snitching on other students they believed didn't belong there due to undisclosed academic crimes.

Perhaps this is not a bad thing. Of course, I am assuming that the university follows up and gets the facts and does not just rely on a snitching family’s words. Anyone can make up anything and hopefully universities do not even proceed without some concrete evidence right from the get-go.

Sometimes it is the case that, the very wealthy families are able to buy off the college counselors to block or hide or not report a transgression on wealthy kids’ transcript. In such cases, I feel that if the school is not doing enough, then it leaves some snitching families with the moral high ground to do what they think is “correct “.

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I heard this story from a fellow graduate student from India. He came from one of the top, technical institutes of the country which routinely sends their students to all of the top engineering programs in the US.

In one case a highly gifted student that was second to an even more gifted student that was admitted to MIT wrote to MIT (this is before the Internet) pretending to be the other guy and turning down his offer of admission… In the hope that as the second best student, he would get in. Instead, the whole plan was found out and if I understood correctly, this man’s offers at other top places were withdrawn .

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Anonymous wrote:At my kid's high school, they warned us that every year some competitive families would write letters to universities snitching on other students they believed didn't belong there due to undisclosed academic crimes.

Perhaps this is not a bad thing. Of course, I am assuming that the university follows up and gets the facts and does not just rely on a snitching family’s words. Anyone can make up anything and hopefully universities do not even proceed without some concrete evidence right from the get-go.

Sometimes it is the case that, the very wealthy families are able to buy off the college counselors to block or hide or not report a transgression on wealthy kids’ transcript. In such cases, I feel that if the school is not doing enough, then it leaves some snitching families with the moral high ground to do what they think is “correct “.

It happened this year in my CT town: https://06880danwoog.com/2024/01/18/college-admissions-stress-a-sad-tale-of-student-sabotage/?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they booked this vacation a year ago? A lot of trips are non-refundable. You don't know -and a trip to the Caribbean is a fraction of the cost of college multiplied by four years. Also, a family's financial situation can change. Let it rest.

get real .The ED contract is signed by the parents and the student in front of the high school college counselor whose job it is to make SURE the parents know that ED is BINDING. The colleges don't like it when students violate the contract. The high school doesn't like it. The college counselor doesn't like it and may refuse to help the student with future applications (sending LOC and transcripts) and yes you are hurting the chances of your kids' fellow classmates. To violate the contract does impact upon the school's reputation and may impact - as noted above - on chances for students to get into the university the next year. See mailing that Sidwell had to send around above.

Even so, stay in your own lane.

I'm in my own lane. I am not OP. I am responding to the idiot talking about booking a vacation and how that somehow excuses the ED contract.

DS accepted his ED1 school. While I’m certain I knew he applied ED1, neither of us remember the actual signing of the agreement. Certainly not in person with the counselor. Not sure what or when the counselor signed. I’m just pointing out that it’s not the holy ritual that pp seems to think it is.

DP. It's clear and short. I remember signing, but, even if I forgot about the act of signing, I would have read what it said at the time and noted tge binding nature. It's not like some long website agreement tgat people check and move on. It's short and clear. Also, in our case, DD's counselor also double checked on that. I think the counselor also has to sign that they made sure the family understands.

Yes, the student, the parents, and the counselor has signed to indicate that everyone knows and has accepted that the ED is binding.

The Common Application and some colleges' application forms require the student applying under early decision, as well as the parent and counselor, to sign an ED agreement form spelling out the plan's conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about your cherry picked single mom who gets comped on vacations? If the kid in question is innocent, letting the impacted schools as well as the HS college counseling staff know will have no impact. On the very likely chance that she and her parents are actually violating the ED agreement, she may have to pay the piper. The OP has every right to pursue this further.

LOVE your analogy! Just like when the SWAT team shows up after a fake report. If the family at home is innocent then they have nothing to worry about...

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they booked this vacation a year ago? A lot of trips are non-refundable. You don't know -and a trip to the Caribbean is a fraction of the cost of college multiplied by four years. Also, a family's financial situation can change. Let it rest.

get real .The ED contract is signed by the parents and the student in front of the high school college counselor whose job it is to make SURE the parents know that ED is BINDING. The colleges don't like it when students violate the contract. The high school doesn't like it. The college counselor doesn't like it and may refuse to help the student with future applications (sending LOC and transcripts) and yes you are hurting the chances of your kids' fellow classmates. To violate the contract does impact upon the school's reputation and may impact - as noted above - on chances for students to get into the university the next year. See mailing that Sidwell had to send around above.

Even so, stay in your own lane.

I'm in my own lane. I am not OP. I am responding to the idiot talking about booking a vacation and how that somehow excuses the ED contract.

DS accepted his ED1 school. While I’m certain I knew he applied ED1, neither of us remember the actual signing of the agreement. Certainly not in person with the counselor. Not sure what or when the counselor signed. I’m just pointing out that it’s not the holy ritual that pp seems to think it is.

DP. It's clear and short. I remember signing, but, even if I forgot about the act of signing, I would have read what it said at the time and noted tge binding nature. It's not like some long website agreement tgat people check and move on. It's short and clear. Also, in our case, DD's counselor also double checked on that. I think the counselor also has to sign that they made sure the family understands.

They do. Here are the requirements for the Common App ED agreement. https://appsupport.commonapp.org/applicantsupport/s/article/What-are-the-Early-Decision-requirements

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares about your cherry picked single mom who gets comped on vacations? If the kid in question is innocent, letting the impacted schools as well as the HS college counseling staff know will have no impact. On the very likely chance that she and her parents are actually violating the ED agreement, she may have to pay the piper. The OP has every right to pursue this further.

LOVE your analogy! Just like when the SWAT team shows up after a fake report. If the family at home is innocent then they have nothing to worry about...

Yeah harmless! Read up on why swatting is considered a crime.