I don't trust doctors anymore

[Anonymous]

The focus is NEVER on prevention, but fixing the problem. This is the #1 downfall with US healthcare. Note, there is no $$ in preventative medicine, only with procedures to fix, repair, etc. Pure greed, with no regard for well being of the public.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh OP I understand.

Let’s see Duke University Hospital world renowned OB told me I was dying of cancer and left me with a c section scar that no one should have.

Thank god. ( I’m not religious) however this phrase fits for me second child he was on vacation and one of his students delivered my second one.

By my third child I changed OBs

Skip to age 35 diagnosis’s by Bethesda Urology who completely disregarded my history and diagnosed me incorrectly put me through tests I did not need.

I’m done with crappy doctors especially ones that make Washingon Best doctors

Now I am super careful I have a fantastic female primary and fantastic urogyn and reg gyn and cardio no more male doctors ever again

Washingtonian Best Doctors list is a joke - do NOT trust those recommendations. Do your own research.

I don't think there is a sentence in the world I hate more than this one.
Not because there's anything wrong with reading and learning independently, but because of the type of people who say it. Always the most ignorant, arrogant people.

And always the people that really shouldn't be doing their own "research."

Doing research is fine, but no one understands what actual research is. They think the internet and podcast are research.

I think when I bring my doc a PubMed citation that's relevant to my condition, and an explanation of how I'd like it considered w/r to my treatment, she should read the thing and consider it from her medically-educated perspective, because that's what I'm paying her to do. I don't expect her to magically know everything. I expect her to consider what I'm saying, especially when I can back it up.

If you have a rare form of cancer or some highly untreatable chronic condition you have been dealing with for years, maybe this might make some amount of sense. Otherwise, you need to figure out a way to make your working time more valuable so you can then go into the market and buy concierge care to deal with your BS of bringing pubmed citations.

For every extra 10-15 minutes GP doctors are dealing with this nonsense is another a55hat in the waiting room also incensed nothing is running on time. See how that works?

Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

I'm sure you tip well, and value your plumber and mechanic, too.

I do actually. I also do most of my own plumbing work and work on the cars I want to. I have two engineering degrees, so that doesn’t hurt.

Next you are going to tell us engineers are overrated and you could have invented the internet and implemented it on your own.

If you were less of a jerk, we might've had a conversation about plumbing or cars, both of which are things I also enjoy doing mostly for myself. But there's no point in talking to someone who has already solidified their mental position (about a stranger, on an anon board). Enjoy your day/life, PP!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

That's not what the posters in this thread have in mind.

but pp said "info to help inform the visit" and response was "HARD DISAGREE"

Read the rest of this thread. As any provider will tell you, any patient that says "I know my body" is a red flag. Right up there with someone coming into the ER claiming to have allergies to first-line pain medications.

A red flag warning against what? Contempt of doc? Your fragile ego is a liability, and an impediment to good care.

Think about who is demonstrating an ego in this thread. And who has years of training and experience versus who has... Google.

That you don't understand how you're telling on yourself, on this thread, would be entertaining if it wasn't so dangerous.

The contempt for their patients is the most dangerous, imo.

+1 That's my number one issue with one of my docs. Douche elevates my BP as well any time I have to see him. At least his PA is a complete opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

That's not what the posters in this thread have in mind.

but pp said "info to help inform the visit" and response was "HARD DISAGREE"

Read the rest of this thread. As any provider will tell you, any patient that says "I know my body" is a red flag. Right up there with someone coming into the ER claiming to have allergies to first-line pain medications.

A red flag warning against what? Contempt of doc? Your fragile ego is a liability, and an impediment to good care.

Think about who is demonstrating an ego in this thread. And who has years of training and experience versus who has... Google.

That you don't understand how you're telling on yourself, on this thread, would be entertaining if it wasn't so dangerous.

The contempt for their patients is the most dangerous, imo.

+1 That's my number one issue with one of my docs. Douche elevates my BP as well any time I have to see him. At least his PA is a complete opposite.

Judging from some of the posts on here, all that fancy medical training removes a lot of their humanity. They're too important, think too highly of themselves, and see themselves as above the general public, which is a whole problem in and of itself, and they're too blinded by their own brilliance to see it.

If you've lost respect for the human you're doing business with, you're doing bad business (regardless of industry). If you're doing this while practicing medicine, you're actively causing harm. I'd point out that they swear oaths, but then I think of the cheating posters on this board and...

Lost causes.

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Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

This is a strange and condescending response. 10 minutes with a doctor costs me $200+. I do think the doctor owes me medical care, attention and respect during that time. If they are not happy to do that for the rate they charge, then THEY can go into concierge medicine and charge more for the same amount of time, but the care expectation remains the same.

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Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

This is a strange and condescending response. 10 minutes with a doctor costs me $200+. I do think the doctor owes me medical care, attention and respect during that time. If they are not happy to do that for the rate they charge, then THEY can go into concierge medicine and charge more for the same amount of time, but the care expectation remains the same.

Exactly.

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Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

This is a strange and condescending response. 10 minutes with a doctor costs me $200+. I do think the doctor owes me medical care, attention and respect during that time. If they are not happy to do that for the rate they charge, then THEY can go into concierge medicine and charge more for the same amount of time, but the care expectation remains the same.

The usual thing to do if you're not satisfied with the services of an individual or company to do find a different individual or company. Or handle it yourself. I could understand complaining about bad service at an initial visit, but if you keep going back, that's on you.

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Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

This is a strange and condescending response. 10 minutes with a doctor costs me $200+. I do think the doctor owes me medical care, attention and respect during that time. If they are not happy to do that for the rate they charge, then THEY can go into concierge medicine and charge more for the same amount of time, but the care expectation remains the same.

The usual thing to do if you're not satisfied with the services of an individual or company to do find a different individual or company. Or handle it yourself. I could understand complaining about bad service at an initial visit, but if you keep going back, that's on you.

I would never go back to a bad doctor. Just reacting to your (?) post claiming that poor patient care is the patient's fault for having too high an expectation of care.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh OP I understand.

Let’s see Duke University Hospital world renowned OB told me I was dying of cancer and left me with a c section scar that no one should have.

Thank god. ( I’m not religious) however this phrase fits for me second child he was on vacation and one of his students delivered my second one.

By my third child I changed OBs

Skip to age 35 diagnosis’s by Bethesda Urology who completely disregarded my history and diagnosed me incorrectly put me through tests I did not need.

I’m done with crappy doctors especially ones that make Washingon Best doctors

Now I am super careful I have a fantastic female primary and fantastic urogyn and reg gyn and cardio no more male doctors ever again

Washingtonian Best Doctors list is a joke - do NOT trust those recommendations. Do your own research.

I don't think there is a sentence in the world I hate more than this one.
Not because there's anything wrong with reading and learning independently, but because of the type of people who say it. Always the most ignorant, arrogant people.

And always the people that really shouldn't be doing their own "research."

Doing research is fine, but no one understands what actual research is. They think the internet and podcast are research.

I think when I bring my doc a PubMed citation that's relevant to my condition, and an explanation of how I'd like it considered w/r to my treatment, she should read the thing and consider it from her medically-educated perspective, because that's what I'm paying her to do. I don't expect her to magically know everything. I expect her to consider what I'm saying, especially when I can back it up.

If you have a rare form of cancer or some highly untreatable chronic condition you have been dealing with for years, maybe this might make some amount of sense. Otherwise, you need to figure out a way to make your working time more valuable so you can then go into the market and buy concierge care to deal with your BS of bringing pubmed citations.

For every extra 10-15 minutes GP doctors are dealing with this nonsense is another a55hat in the waiting room also incensed nothing is running on time. See how that works?

Yep. Cattle. Get in (after waiting howeverlong b/c some offices can't schedule for shite), be seen (but not heard), get out and pay up. NEXT!!!

It’s always the people whose time is worth the least amount of money that have the most complaints. Human time is expensive. If you want more time with another human whose time is worth significant economic resources, go figure out how to make your time worth more so you can go into the marketplace and buy concierge service. Until then, stop acting like the world owes you something it doesn’t.

A good exercise to figure out how privileged you are in 2024 is to consider what sort of medical care your family had access to two or three generations back.

Like competent care? Professionals are ethically bound to provide competent care.

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I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

I don't find GPs very useful and just go straight to specialists. I see them more as coordinating care if one needs it, and the older generation like my parents and in-laws really do love that aspect. I personally don't feel it's necessary when I have my specialists. The past two GPs I had basically had a little ipad checklist and went through it. I have many moles and have always gotten comments (without asking) by GPs about moles which are completely harmless and have been checked out by derm. They just do not know enough about specific issues to diagnose them.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

He should quit. God forbid someone ask him to read the feckin' chart before making his diagnonsense. That's just too much.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

He should quit. God forbid someone ask him to read the feckin' chart before making his diagnonsense. That's just too much.

I truly hope this poster is not a doctor. If they are, then they are only proving the OP's point!

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

Seriously, what do you want from patients? If we aren’t supposed to Google, but should rely on our doctors, but also aren’t allowed to expect said doctors to be aware of and informative about our (very serious) diagnosis…I expect, as you imply here, you think we should just go ahead and die so we aren’t annoying? Just listen to yourself. What does being so vicious to others do for you?