I don't trust doctors anymore

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

[Anonymous]

I have a laundry list of bad doctor experiences but people still want us to "trust the experts". The experts don't even agree with each other! The good thing about age is that good and bad doctors are easier to discern. Do they barely look at you and spit out generic unrelated advice? Do they order appropriate exams and meds or invasive unnecessary things? Over testing/ Under testing? Are their biases glaringly apparent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh OP I understand.

Let’s see Duke University Hospital world renowned OB told me I was dying of cancer and left me with a c section scar that no one should have.

Thank god. ( I’m not religious) however this phrase fits for me second child he was on vacation and one of his students delivered my second one.

By my third child I changed OBs

Skip to age 35 diagnosis’s by Bethesda Urology who completely disregarded my history and diagnosed me incorrectly put me through tests I did not need.

I’m done with crappy doctors especially ones that make Washingon Best doctors

Now I am super careful I have a fantastic female primary and fantastic urogyn and reg gyn and cardio no more male doctors ever again

Agree that this type of bad exp is much more likely to happen with a male doctor than a female doctor. I avoid male physicians, and I am a male.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

And surprise, surprise, they're both written by women.

No, you don't know what's going on in your body. You might know how you feel, but even that is suspect in a lot of cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what's wrong. Of course I know the body I've lived in for decades better than you do in the handful of hours we may have spent together (and that's a generous/courteous estimate). You are why, when I told my doctor my medication's side effects were tanking my blood sugar, they treated me like an idiot who couldn't possibly understand their own body. Turns out I was right, and could even find studies to back me. Then my doctor was nasty with me for "thinking I was smarter" than them. But I was.

Medical gaslighting is real, and doctors are far more arrogant than they have any legitimate right to be. You taking a 2 hour class on my illness doesn't come anywhere close to my multiple decades of experience living with it. STFU and listen and you might actually learn something, but y'all think you already know so you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

And surprise, surprise, they're both written by women.

No, you don't know what's going on in your body. You might know how you feel, but even that is suspect in a lot of cases.

Point is that you know when something is wrong/substantially different, not that you can use said feeling to pinpoint exactly what that is. Jesus I hope you are not a caregiver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

And surprise, surprise, they're both written by women.

No, you don't know what's going on in your body. You might know how you feel, but even that is suspect in a lot of cases.

And you, an outsider, can magically diagnose in 8-15 minutes? You're a liability, and I hope you learn that before you cause real harm with your ignorant arrogance.

I also hope you get the opportunity to realize, viscerally, just how quickly you can lose your able-bodied privilege. Doctors make the worst patients, yeah?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh OP I understand.

Let’s see Duke University Hospital world renowned OB told me I was dying of cancer and left me with a c section scar that no one should have.

Thank god. ( I’m not religious) however this phrase fits for me second child he was on vacation and one of his students delivered my second one.

By my third child I changed OBs

Skip to age 35 diagnosis’s by Bethesda Urology who completely disregarded my history and diagnosed me incorrectly put me through tests I did not need.

I’m done with crappy doctors especially ones that make Washingon Best doctors

Now I am super careful I have a fantastic female primary and fantastic urogyn and reg gyn and cardio no more male doctors ever again

Agree that this type of bad exp is much more likely to happen with a male doctor than a female doctor. I avoid male physicians, and I am a male.

Nah, they're all shite. Men think they have all the answers by default, women think they have to have all the answers due to a lifetime of competing with men. Patients lose either way; no doctor tends to admit their human fallibility. They all think their MD makes them somehow magically superhuman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

And surprise, surprise, they're both written by women.

No, you don't know what's going on in your body. You might know how you feel, but even that is suspect in a lot of cases.

Point is that you know when something is wrong/substantially different, not that you can use said feeling to pinpoint exactly what that is. Jesus I hope you are not a caregiver.

I will add, the fact that the above point went entirely over your head makes me believe you have never experienced medical gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Yeah, you'll run into "contempt of doc" which is a lot like "contempt of cop". Arrogant asswit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

Consider that "doctors" are not a homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same way and makes the same choices. It sounds like you need a solo practitioner who will sit down and talk with you - about your medical problems but also your medical anxiety.

Well, they all think they know your body better than you do (after a 10 min convo) and can never admit when they eff up.

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes. Sometimes it's out of actual incompetence, sometimes it is due to lack of time, and sometimes it is simply the fact that you've got to play the odds on diagnoses rather than jumping to order every test under the sun.

But the patients that try to play the "I know my body" card are worse than all of them. No you don't.

You are what is wrong with healthcare, doc. Most often, though not always, it is paternalistic, know-it-all, white male physicians who gaslight and dismiss you as crazy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/medical-gaslighting-warning-signs-and-how-to-advocate-for-yourself.html
https://www.vox.com/even-better/23880457/advocate-for-yourself-doctors-office-health

Literally both of these articles say "You know your body" so it is up to you to advocate for yourself.

And surprise, surprise, they're both written by women.

No, you don't know what's going on in your body. You might know how you feel, but even that is suspect in a lot of cases.

And you, an outsider, can magically diagnose in 8-15 minutes? You're a liability, and I hope you learn that before you cause real harm with your ignorant arrogance.

I also hope you get the opportunity to realize, viscerally, just how quickly you can lose your able-bodied privilege. Doctors make the worst patients, yeah?

No, but I can come up with a plan better than you can with your "research" on Google.

But by all means, treat yourself. Please.