I don't trust doctors anymore

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

Seriously, what do you want from patients? If we aren’t supposed to Google, but should rely on our doctors, but also aren’t allowed to expect said doctors to be aware of and informative about our (very serious) diagnosis…I expect, as you imply here, you think we should just go ahead and die so we aren’t annoying? Just listen to yourself. What does being so vicious to others do for you?

Yes, for many posters in this thread, that would be the preferred outcome for all concerned. As soon as practical.

PP here with a brain tumor. I applaud your willingness to risk this kind of karma. It takes a special kind of sociopath to go there.

+1 Typical DCUM ableism, minus common sense. You're all one accident away from being a patient. Choose your own adventure, I guess!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

Seriously, what do you want from patients? If we aren’t supposed to Google, but should rely on our doctors, but also aren’t allowed to expect said doctors to be aware of and informative about our (very serious) diagnosis…I expect, as you imply here, you think we should just go ahead and die so we aren’t annoying? Just listen to yourself. What does being so vicious to others do for you?

Yes, for many posters in this thread, that would be the preferred outcome for all concerned. As soon as practical.

PP here with a brain tumor. I applaud your willingness to risk this kind of karma. It takes a special kind of sociopath to go there.

It's quite easy when you know you'll outlive them. It's like a guaranteed win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The focus is NEVER on prevention, but fixing the problem. This is the #1 downfall with US healthcare. Note, there is no $$ in preventative medicine, only with procedures to fix, repair, etc. Pure greed, with no regard for well being of the public.

Are you going to hold that, or do you admit it's hyperbole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No surprise this thread is full of people who don't trust doctor's anymore.

Who did you think the title was supposed to trap?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are tons of bad doctors these days. You’re cattle to them. They want to see as many as possible, so you’re just prime beef to rack up numbers and insurance claims. No one cares about you anymore.

And yes, this isn’t 100% on the docs but also on the insanely stupid HC system we have in the U.S. it has gotten so bad over my lifetime.

I dunno if there are any solutions until artificial intelligence can completely take over primary care.

If you're part of the system, you're part of the problem. I agree that insurance is scammy af and it's definitely getting worse not better. Some doctors are perfectly content to simply pass that suck down the line to the patient so they keep making money, and it shows.

This is a ridiculous point of view. There is no doubt that there are hierarchies in medicine and that docs have often been positioned at the top. But the moral injury being done to them by the system in which they have to practice in 2024 is real, and behaving as though they are the principal possible change agents on that is crazytown.

Unless your thesis is that everyone—including patients—should decamp from medicine in favor of something else (what, exactly?) this is just asinine sloganeering, not an actual analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tons of bad doctors these days. You’re cattle to them. They want to see as many as possible, so you’re just prime beef to rack up numbers and insurance claims. No one cares about you anymore.

And yes, this isn’t 100% on the docs but also on the insanely stupid HC system we have in the U.S. it has gotten so bad over my lifetime.

I dunno if there are any solutions until artificial intelligence can completely take over primary care.

If you're part of the system, you're part of the problem. I agree that insurance is scammy af and it's definitely getting worse not better. Some doctors are perfectly content to simply pass that suck down the line to the patient so they keep making money, and it shows.

This is a ridiculous point of view. There is no doubt that there are hierarchies in medicine and that docs have often been positioned at the top. But the moral injury being done to them by the system in which they have to practice in 2024 is real, and behaving as though they are the principal possible change agents on that is crazytown.

Unless your thesis is that everyone—including patients—should decamp from medicine in favor of something else (what, exactly?) this is just asinine sloganeering, not an actual analysis.

I fully support the pp you replied to opting out of the healthcare system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No surprise this thread is full of people who don't trust doctor's anymore.

Who did you think the title was supposed to trap?

Trap? Scrolling on by remains free, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had an appointment with my GP this week. I had been having some headaches so I went in in December and this was the follow up appointment, after testing.

He asked how my headaches were, and I said they'd been doing a lot better. He looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked why I was there?

I went because those tests showed I have a BRAIN TUMOR and I would have liked some insight on my BRAIN TUMOR from MY DOCTOR.

Some doctors are worse than useless, he obviously didn't read the report until I was sitting in the office with him. It was a waste of both our time because he definitely didn't know anything about my very serious condition on the fly.

I'm not sure what to think at this point. It definitely made me feel like he doesn't care about me at all, even if that is not true. I already have a pretty bad case of doctor avoidance but I really need good medical help now and it's making me distrust everything.

He probably doesn't care about you. Based on your attitude, he might be looking forward to finally being done with you as a patient.

Seriously, what do you want from patients? If we aren’t supposed to Google, but should rely on our doctors, but also aren’t allowed to expect said doctors to be aware of and informative about our (very serious) diagnosis…I expect, as you imply here, you think we should just go ahead and die so we aren’t annoying? Just listen to yourself. What does being so vicious to others do for you?

Yes, for many posters in this thread, that would be the preferred outcome for all concerned. As soon as practical.

PP here with a brain tumor. I applaud your willingness to risk this kind of karma. It takes a special kind of sociopath to go there.

It's quite easy when you know you'll outlive them. It's like a guaranteed win.

You are one accident away from a radically different life. Best of luck, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tons of bad doctors these days. You’re cattle to them. They want to see as many as possible, so you’re just prime beef to rack up numbers and insurance claims. No one cares about you anymore.

And yes, this isn’t 100% on the docs but also on the insanely stupid HC system we have in the U.S. it has gotten so bad over my lifetime.

I dunno if there are any solutions until artificial intelligence can completely take over primary care.

If you're part of the system, you're part of the problem. I agree that insurance is scammy af and it's definitely getting worse not better. Some doctors are perfectly content to simply pass that suck down the line to the patient so they keep making money, and it shows.

This is a ridiculous point of view. There is no doubt that there are hierarchies in medicine and that docs have often been positioned at the top. But the moral injury being done to them by the system in which they have to practice in 2024 is real, and behaving as though they are the principal possible change agents on that is crazytown.

Unless your thesis is that everyone—including patients—should decamp from medicine in favor of something else (what, exactly?) this is just asinine sloganeering, not an actual analysis.

So it's the sick people needing care who need to fix this, and not the people getting paid to participate in it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tons of bad doctors these days. You’re cattle to them. They want to see as many as possible, so you’re just prime beef to rack up numbers and insurance claims. No one cares about you anymore.

And yes, this isn’t 100% on the docs but also on the insanely stupid HC system we have in the U.S. it has gotten so bad over my lifetime.

I dunno if there are any solutions until artificial intelligence can completely take over primary care.

If you're part of the system, you're part of the problem. I agree that insurance is scammy af and it's definitely getting worse not better. Some doctors are perfectly content to simply pass that suck down the line to the patient so they keep making money, and it shows.

This is a ridiculous point of view. There is no doubt that there are hierarchies in medicine and that docs have often been positioned at the top. But the moral injury being done to them by the system in which they have to practice in 2024 is real, and behaving as though they are the principal possible change agents on that is crazytown.

Unless your thesis is that everyone—including patients—should decamp from medicine in favor of something else (what, exactly?) this is just asinine sloganeering, not an actual analysis.

You expect "actual analysis" for free on an anon board, but get cutty-on-butty about people expecting actual medical analysis from the professionals they hire and pay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No surprise this thread is full of people who don't trust doctor's anymore.

Who did you think the title was supposed to trap?

Trap? Scrolling on by remains free, pp.

Sure, no worries.

So who do you think the title was supposed to -- what, entice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tons of bad doctors these days. You’re cattle to them. They want to see as many as possible, so you’re just prime beef to rack up numbers and insurance claims. No one cares about you anymore.

And yes, this isn’t 100% on the docs but also on the insanely stupid HC system we have in the U.S. it has gotten so bad over my lifetime.

I dunno if there are any solutions until artificial intelligence can completely take over primary care.

If you're part of the system, you're part of the problem. I agree that insurance is scammy af and it's definitely getting worse not better. Some doctors are perfectly content to simply pass that suck down the line to the patient so they keep making money, and it shows.

This is a ridiculous point of view. There is no doubt that there are hierarchies in medicine and that docs have often been positioned at the top. But the moral injury being done to them by the system in which they have to practice in 2024 is real, and behaving as though they are the principal possible change agents on that is crazytown.

Unless your thesis is that everyone—including patients—should decamp from medicine in favor of something else (what, exactly?) this is just asinine sloganeering, not an actual analysis.

So it's the sick people needing care who need to fix this, and not the people getting paid to participate in it?

Let me spell it out for you: Voters. Voters need to fix it. Some voters are doctors. All voters are patients. But we all have an interest in it getting fixed at this point. The proportion of people who do not is minuscule.

[Anonymous]

DP.

Miniscule, and temporary.

[Anonymous]

I do a lot of research when I pick doctors, and my policy is to wait for the doctor I want rather than go to first available doctor. For me, it’s always been worth the wait, and going to the first available doc generally has led to wrong diagnoses or more unnecessary testing. You can get lucky (say there was a cancellation), but often you just get the practitioner who nobody else wants b/c they have cruddy bedside manner or are new.

Obv you can’t do this for emergency situations, but having a good PCP who can assist you in those times helps a lot. Your PCP should be just as trusted as your therapist, IMO. They are the conduit to good specialists.

I also favor women doctors. Some of the rudest doctors I’ve been to have been women, but at the same time my favorite doctors have all been women. Men tend to be dismissive of women… talking. I’m fine with men for surgeries and things where they’re just doing the thing (eg removing the polyp), but not for anything that involves listening or explaining.

I’m sure there are wonderful, caring male doctors who are patient and can listen and explain; I just haven’t been to any. It could be me—I’m generally anxious when I go to the doctor, and maybe that anxiousness has led to them dismissing me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of research when I pick doctors, and my policy is to wait for the doctor I want rather than go to first available doctor. For me, it’s always been worth the wait, and going to the first available doc generally has led to wrong diagnoses or more unnecessary testing. You can get lucky (say there was a cancellation), but often you just get the practitioner who nobody else wants b/c they have cruddy bedside manner or are new.

Obv you can’t do this for emergency situations, but having a good PCP who can assist you in those times helps a lot. Your PCP should be just as trusted as your therapist, IMO. They are the conduit to good specialists.

I also favor women doctors. Some of the rudest doctors I’ve been to have been women, but at the same time my favorite doctors have all been women. Men tend to be dismissive of women… talking. I’m fine with men for surgeries and things where they’re just doing the thing (eg removing the polyp), but not for anything that involves listening or explaining.

I’m sure there are wonderful, caring male doctors who are patient and can listen and explain; I just haven’t been to any. It could be me—I’m generally anxious when I go to the doctor, and maybe that anxiousness has led to them dismissing me.

This strikes me as a wise and balanced approach.