Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

Maybe to talk to them.

But the few who have the guts to challenge Trump are leaving.

The rest will NOT consider sensible gun laws. More kids die from guns in the US than Israel by far.

Safety is safety people. It does not just cut by tribe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I was a liberal Democrat about five years ago, maybe less. It was a combination of the party changing and me changing. I think you'll find that just like most Democrats are not AOC, most Republicans aren't Lauren Boebert. In other words, if you occupied a centrist position as a Democrat, you'll find that being a centrist republican isn't that far of a reach.

Big difference...the Squad is fringe left, with no leadership. GOP MAGAs are the party now. There is no such thing as a centrist GOP.

The party was too far right for even Liz Cheney or Rep. Buck. Think about that.

NOW there is a fringe left? We’ve been told countless times that AOC et al are just left, while the rest of the party is center left and the Democrats are united. Pffft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Since when did Biden become MAGA? That’s a very odd claim you are making. Do you really think Biden is MAGA? And Blinken, Schumer, Peolosi? All MAGA?

Biden called himself a Zionist in Israel and embraced Benjamin Netanyahu. The Israeli government is extremely right wing and a bunch if RWNJs. While there Biden joked about Palestinian deaths saying Palestinians should have better aim(not Hamas). He also said there are no Palestinians casualties and only the IDF can be believed. The US has no intelligence operations in Gaza. We left that up to the Israelis. Yet with in hours after the Israeli strike on the hospital US intelligence to back the Israelis claims? Biden did not even pressure Israel to get Americans out of Gaza. They just became target practice for the IDF.

Blinken embraced Netanyahu and Likud, talked about how he is a jew first and did not ask for any concessions for US support. Now he is meeting with neighboring states as a neutral? Those states see him for what he is a pro Israel supremacist. Schumer has always been Israel first. If you can find him. Peolosi is now in the minority and out of leadership. So who cares about her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Again,

You are not cutting anything! You are just increasing the budget over 2022 levels by 68 billion instead of 80 billion!!!!

Your “facts” refer to is you cut the budget of the IRS for the base 2022 levels, and you still need to provide source of that claim.

A 68 billion increase will be jus refine. In fact, they have not even hired 1/10 of the additional agents for the IRS at this point as it’s hard to recruit thousands of new employees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Yep, you can’t argue with stupid if they don’t understand it’s still an increase of 68 billion and not a cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Since when did Biden become MAGA? That’s a very odd claim you are making. Do you really think Biden is MAGA? And Blinken, Schumer, Peolosi? All MAGA?

This MAGA?



how about this one?



or this one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Since when did Biden become MAGA? That’s a very odd claim you are making. Do you really think Biden is MAGA? And Blinken, Schumer, Peolosi? All MAGA?

Biden called himself a Zionist in Israel and embraced Benjamin Netanyahu. The Israeli government is extremely right wing and a bunch if RWNJs. While there Biden joked about Palestinian deaths saying Palestinians should have better aim(not Hamas). He also said there are no Palestinians casualties and only the IDF can be believed. The US has no intelligence operations in Gaza. We left that up to the Israelis. Yet with in hours after the Israeli strike on the hospital US intelligence to back the Israelis claims? Biden did not even pressure Israel to get Americans out of Gaza. They just became target practice for the IDF.

Blinken embraced Netanyahu and Likud, talked about how he is a jew first and did not ask for any concessions for US support. Now he is meeting with neighboring states as a neutral? Those states see him for what he is a pro Israel supremacist. Schumer has always been Israel first. If you can find him. Peolosi is now in the minority and out of leadership. So who cares about her.

Biden and Blinken did not and do it “embrace” Likud or Bibi. Stop with this “dual loyalty / supremacist” nonsense. They are supportive of the Israeli people, they are against Hamas and it’s terrorism, and they want to try and limit the radius of tensions. This is called leadership and diplomacy. It may not be instant gratification but that’s what’s needed here. There’s enough fury and rage and finger pointing already.

So glad to have adult leaders right now. I shudder to think what a Trump or someone with a mindset like Ramaswamy or on the left, Tlaib or Omar, would do in this scenario.

[Anonymous]

As a Jew who supports Israel, I’m well aware that republicans decided to play politics with the Israel aid bill. I will not be voting for those fools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Except when it comes to passing funding?

Are you unhappy with the 12 billion package MAGA will deliver? Does the IRS cut bother you?

Or you could have a clean 12 billion bill and a side of Jew hatred.

Place your bets and votes.

Does the deficit matter or not? Because the IRS cut will lead to a blowup of the deficit.

You don’t actually understand the details? You just rehash what you read?



So do you actually think we are cutting the 12 billion from the IRS?

Its actually IRS budget was increased in 2022 via IRA by 80 billion!!!!!!!!

So if you cut 12 billion from the 80 billion, tou still get an increased IRS budget of 68 billion over what it was in 2022. So yeah, don’t be dramatic.

But here’s the problem. For every dollar you cut for the IRS, the revenue the usg brings in is cut by an ADDITIONAL $6. Over time that makes quite a difference to the deficit, which does need to be addressed.

Cutting IRS funding is not the way to reduce the deficit. Better to cut other subsidies (ag, fossil fuel).

Again,

You are not cutting anything! You are just increasing the budget over 2022 levels by 68 billion instead of 80 billion!!!!

Your “facts” refer to is you cut the budget of the IRS for the base 2022 levels, and you still need to provide source of that claim.

A 68 billion increase will be jus refine. In fact, they have not even hired 1/10 of the additional agents for the IRS at this point as it’s hard to recruit thousands of new employees.

Pp here. I’m going to try one more time.

I actually understand how you arrived at your belief - and I’ll stick with the numbers you’re using. On the surface, it seems correct. If we are spending $68 billion instead of $80 billion, and using that remaining $12 billion for Israel, everything should be funky dory.

But. Here’s the catch. That $12 billion in the Johnson scenario goes out the door (like a Friday night out - the money is gone - except if you are a defense contractor, in which case it’s going into your personal pocket).

In the scenario where the $12 billion goes to the IRS, the agency uses that money, not only to hire more employees, but also to upgrade computer systems, install AI programs that can identify anomalies, and so forth which results in more revenue for the USG (like exercising which leads to better health).

As for the source of my facts, I refer you to the CBO report. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-11/CBO_Estimate_for_the_Israel_Security_Supp_Approp_Act_2024.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only MAGA supports Israel and the safety of the Jewish people.

Since when did Biden become MAGA? That’s a very odd claim you are making. Do you really think Biden is MAGA? And Blinken, Schumer, Peolosi? All MAGA?

Biden called himself a Zionist in Israel and embraced Benjamin Netanyahu. The Israeli government is extremely right wing and a bunch if RWNJs. While there Biden joked about Palestinian deaths saying Palestinians should have better aim(not Hamas). He also said there are no Palestinians casualties and only the IDF can be believed. The US has no intelligence operations in Gaza. We left that up to the Israelis. Yet with in hours after the Israeli strike on the hospital US intelligence to back the Israelis claims? Biden did not even pressure Israel to get Americans out of Gaza. They just became target practice for the IDF.

Blinken embraced Netanyahu and Likud, talked about how he is a jew first and did not ask for any concessions for US support. Now he is meeting with neighboring states as a neutral? Those states see him for what he is a pro Israel supremacist. Schumer has always been Israel first. If you can find him. Peolosi is now in the minority and out of leadership. So who cares about her.

Biden and Blinken did not and do it “embrace” Likud or Bibi. Stop with this “dual loyalty / supremacist” nonsense. They are supportive of the Israeli people, they are against Hamas and it’s terrorism, and they want to try and limit the radius of tensions. This is called leadership and diplomacy. It may not be instant gratification but that’s what’s needed here. There’s enough fury and rage and finger pointing already.

So glad to have adult leaders right now. I shudder to think what a Trump or someone with a mindset like Ramaswamy or on the left, Tlaib or Omar, would do in this scenario.

Just stop. Biden and Blinken embraced Likud and Bibi. It is the only reason Bibi is still in power because of Biden’s support. I know that makes you happy. Biden is self proclaimed Zionist. A Zionist puts Israel before anything else. It is not leadership. It is actually the opposite of leadership. Biden and company only ask how many more bombs do you.

As for Blinken he totally compromises his office with what he said when he first arrived in Israel. He needs to resign immediately so the US can actually work with other states in the region beside Israel.

You know all this is true but you have to keep defending the indefensible. Let me put it in term you could understand. This would be like the US sending Omar over to Israel after Oct 7 to negotiate the removal of settlements on the West Bank. That is exactly how Blinken is seen in the region.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t it Republican extremists who chanted “Jews will not replace us” through college towns? Whose politicians are dining with and associating with actual Nazis?

I understand why Democrat extremists are pushing away Jewish voters I just don’t understand why Republicans are an acceptable alternative? Especially while Democrats in office are consistently supporting Israel.

Genuinely asking. I’d like to understand.

I think this crowd care about supporting zionism and not stopping real antisemitism.

That seems to be the real deal.

Because anyone who is truly wiling to shunt aside all else for Israel isn’t making very sound choices.

I agreed with you a month ago. But there is a difference between being critical of Israeli politics, and what is currently happening on the left. Rashida tlaib just tweeted a video of people chanting from the river to the sea- saying it’s “an aspirational call.” It’s an aspirational call to annihilate israel and Jewish people. There is a growing squad comprised of overt anti semites like her. Biden is not an anti semite. But the next generation of democrats are increasingly so. I will vote for biden. But what’s happening in the house amongst democrats, and what will eventually hit the senate, is gravely concerning.

+1 I am very glad that biden seems supportive but I worry about the Democratic Party in another two generations. That over twenty democrats couldn’t support a simple statement that there shouldn’t be anti semitism in colleges is worrying.

I’m beginning to think it’s social media. The youth are easily manipulated by messaging, and they seemingly lack critical thinking skills to understand two things can be good or bad at the same time.

Ironically, everything must be binary for them: good or evil.

The next election was already going to be a crapshoot…but now it feels like an inflection point for the soul of the Democratic Party. We need a younger yet wise and dynamic leader to inspire a coalition of voters who we are and what we stand for. Where’s that unicorn hiding? Go find him and start trotting him out…on social media.

It is social media.

[Anonymous]

Biden choose Blinken, who will cost Democrats the election.

Democrats will cut the pro Israeli supporters. Israeli supporting voters are not increasing in the US. Black and Brown people are, and they would prefer to keep the money in the US.

You should listen to the local media for brown and black people. They are not afraid to speak out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden choose Blinken, who will cost Democrats the election.

Democrats will cut the pro Israeli supporters. Israeli supporting voters are not increasing in the US. Black and Brown people are, and they would prefer to keep the money in the US.

You should listen to the local media for brown and black people. They are not afraid to speak out.

Huh? Biden is very pro Israel. Ds will cut *Hamas* supporters/apologists.