
May this prompt you to reassess your politics on a lot of other issues, PP |
When you stop your femicide-forward agenda in the US, maybe, nope, still won’t consider it. |
You write like a series of bad Internet memes. |
I had to read this several times to understand what side you are on. Not only with jewish people. Not okay to have been happening for years against palestinian peopple. |
What happened in Israel is atrocious, and it's also in the face of terrible abuses against Palestinians for generations. Add in that that many people interpret pro-Palestinian as anti-semitic (not saying that is you but it's true) and you have that people don't want to say anything because it 1) it seems like we are condemning only Palestine, and it's more complicated than that, and 2) you raise Palestinians as also being victims, and you may be labeled anti-Semitic. |
You could post video of Biden’s speech. |
Dude, nobody gives zero sh$$ts about rape of prepubescent girls and gang rapes in Israel. We all think its horrific, but some think it's equally horrific in Israel as in Palestine--and that's the problem, because mention "and Palestine too" and suddenly people like you call them anti-semitic. |
Well said. Some are apparently afraid that saying anything at all, even "know that I care about you and your family," will open the door to follow-up demands that they distill a complicated issue into blanket condemnation of Palestinians and disregard for Palestinian suffering. Which could easily lead to charges of anti-semitism and ruin friendships. And if you read some of the posts on DCUM, where some (not all) of Israel's supporters openly state they don't give two sh!!ts about the Palestinians, and they label as antisemitic anybody who expresses disgust with Hamas but is also concerned about settlements or something, that fear seems justified. So it's possible op's friends are trying to save the friendship? |
I’m Jewish. I’m not asking people to say that Hamas terrorism is bad but that everything Israel has done/will do in Gaza is fine. I’m hoping people will acknowledge that Hamas’s actions were grotesque atrocities, and that whatever you think about the complex situation in Gaza, you can condemn rape and massacre of people in their homes and at a music festival, and taking innocent people hostage. Of course you can also say that you condemn all the loss of all the innocent Palestinians, and that you wish for peace - this is also what all the Jews and Israelis I know say too.
Jewish schools, synagogues and community centers have all either massively stepped up security or closed over the last week. Children are being told not to wear any visibly Jewish symbols. Mosques, Muslim schools and Islamic cultural centers haven’t had to do any of those things because no one is threatening them - which is great! But don’t you wonder why only one of these groups has to protect itself whenever something happens like this? |
I'm going to call you out on something. There are a lot of liberal Jews who want a two-state solution (most of us do) and want Palestinian self rule over their own land - but EVEN though we want that, if we do not also denounce the legitimacy of Israel, we are not welcome in the liberal conversation. We have been, over the past decade, pushed out of the activist circles because we are forced to make a choice. Exactly why do you think that is? It has become crystal clear to me that indeed, antisemitism is the common undercurrent against which I have been swimming, and blind to, until last Saturday. And if you are going to force me to choose, I'm choosing Israel. |
This is not true. My Muslim friends are holding know-your-rights training in anticipation for the kind of racial profiling and harassment that came after 9/11 |
They’re doing you a favor because those circles are atrocious to begin with. Sorry you are just now figuring it out |
+1 |
PP here, yes that has also become crystal clear. |
This thread was supposed to be about how to offer support to Jewish friends but is instead has people saying how bad Israel is, Palestinians are suffering, etc. - like most of social media.
It's like talking offense at BLM and saying All Lives Matter. Of course all lives matter, and that obviously includes Palestinian people. But this discussion underscores how many people will not acknowledge that Jewish lives matter, including all those murdered, raped, and taken hostage during the terrorist attacks. It's always "but but but..." even in a thread specific to offering support to Jewish friends, at a time when antisemitism continues to increase. |