Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

The chart is from Gallup polling. The census household pulse survy shows very similiar numbers.

I did not say hanging out with gay people make you gay. I said gen z had higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Current society pushes LGBT as a positive, even if some people vocally disagree. Schools, government, and media all portray positively and attempt to use social pressure to say people who disagree are bad people.

Chemical hypothosis is interesting, however ignorant of the history. Across history, sexual identities and behaviours have always changed in line with the prevailing social attitudes of the time. To me this indicates flexibility of population to LGBT identification based on social pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

Are we talking about bathrooms or are we talking about locker rooms where people change clothes and shower?

Communal changing rooms and showers should be done away with and just have individual shower stalls. This whole thing will cease to be a problem.

Yes but that still wouldn't explain why they get bent out of shape about pronouns.

The pronoun issue is compelled speech. While it certainly disrespectful to call someone something else, and sometimes very confusing, some people do not wish participate. They use own wierd pronoun as protest or refuse comply with the other people pronoun.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a conservative and have no issue whatsoever with the LGBT community. I have gay family members and friends. It’s just not the big deal some of you seem to want it to be. Frankly, I would simply like to stop talking about it - and I know my gay friends/family feel the same way.

why don't you tell this to your MAGA deplorable friends as they are the ones excoriating LGBTQ! I somehow doubt that you have any LGBTQ friends and if you have family members in this group they are still in the closet. We need to talk about it until doomsday because you and your ilk want to destroy them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a conservative and have no issue whatsoever with the LGBT community. I have gay family members and friends. It’s just not the big deal some of you seem to want it to be. Frankly, I would simply like to stop talking about it - and I know my gay friends/family feel the same way.

why don't you tell this to your MAGA deplorable friends as they are the ones excoriating LGBTQ! I somehow doubt that you have any LGBTQ friends and if you have family members in this group they are still in the closet. We need to talk about it until doomsday because you and your ilk want to destroy them.

Did you know that the largest white supremacy violent attack plot was hatched in retaliation for the Pulse nightclub massacre? I'm not saying that anti-gay bigotry doesn't exist. But it's not pervasive, even among the most extreme, violent fringe of conservatives.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Since they won’t be reproducing after their operation they are choosing to cease to exist. It’s really slow-burn suicide. This generation is suicidal on top of highly infertile. It’s mostly white families that are ending the procreation.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

So sexuality isn't fluid. Can gender be fluid?

That's not what is meant by gender fluidity.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

The chart is from Gallup polling. The census household pulse survy shows very similiar numbers.

I did not say hanging out with gay people make you gay. I said gen z had higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Current society pushes LGBT as a positive, even if some people vocally disagree. Schools, government, and media all portray positively and attempt to use social pressure to say people who disagree are bad people.

Chemical hypothosis is interesting, however ignorant of the history. Across history, sexual identities and behaviours have always changed in line with the prevailing social attitudes of the time. To me this indicates flexibility of population to LGBT identification based on social pressure.

Gee, the longstanding and obvious answer is that social pressure forced gay people to pretend they were straight. To lie to people about being straight. To convince themselves they were straight. To never even try to have a gay relationship in the first place. To just think of themselves as straight people who are deviant or sinful. Come on!

It's not the pressure to be LGBTQ causing this. It's the reduction of penalties for doing so that makes it possible.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

It's not about minors anymore. Republicans are blocking it for adults too.

Which states have blocked adults from accessing transition care?

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

It's not about minors anymore. Republicans are blocking it for adults too.

Which states have blocked adults from accessing transition care?

DP, but some states are redefining sex changes from cosmetic to reconstructive to force insurance to pay for it. States that won't do this are "blocking" per the talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

The chart is from Gallup polling. The census household pulse survy shows very similiar numbers.

I did not say hanging out with gay people make you gay. I said gen z had higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Current society pushes LGBT as a positive, even if some people vocally disagree. Schools, government, and media all portray positively and attempt to use social pressure to say people who disagree are bad people.

Chemical hypothosis is interesting, however ignorant of the history. Across history, sexual identities and behaviours have always changed in line with the prevailing social attitudes of the time. To me this indicates flexibility of population to LGBT identification based on social pressure.

Gee, the longstanding and obvious answer is that social pressure forced gay people to pretend they were straight. To lie to people about being straight. To convince themselves they were straight. To never even try to have a gay relationship in the first place. To just think of themselves as straight people who are deviant or sinful. Come on!

It's not the pressure to be LGBTQ causing this. It's the reduction of penalties for doing so that makes it possible.

When people on the other side of this debate present arguments based on longstanding and obvious things, they are categorically shrugged off as a "tag line." We are going to need to see some receipts. We are told all this suppression results in suicide. Shouldn't there have been more suicide back then? We should see a chart showing steep declines in suicide, due to our sexual liberation. Show us the charts.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

It's not about minors anymore. Republicans are blocking it for adults too.

Which states have blocked adults from accessing transition care?

DP, but some states are redefining sex changes from cosmetic to reconstructive to force insurance to pay for it. States that won't do this are "blocking" per the talking points.

That's not the same as blocking access.

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Don't ask don't tell. When did that end, Obama? Let's go back to that.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

See, you are in violent agreement with us. We also want them to be normal and think that most of them are normal. But that isn't what the activists are force feeding us. The activists are linking abnormal, aggressively hypersexual content to the essence of being LGBT. I don't think it is, and I reject that, and so do you. Welcome!

Okay, I’m willing to be open-minded about this then. Through this lens please explain the hate toward Dylan Mulvaney and the Target trans merch backlash please. I don’t see either of those things as hypersexual content. Thank you!

Again, we are in violent agreement. Dylan M and Target merch are not hypersexualized. Not all LGBT people or merch are hypersexualized.

The reaction to the Target merch was 1) it had swimsuits that allowed for "tucking" for kids-- and people are alarmed at the spreading contagion; and 2) Dylan is very closely associated with the Biden administration so she's inherently a.partisan figure. It's not far off from My Pillow Guy in terms of political association. Now, anytime I say that, someone says this isn't true. But I'm not pulling this out of the sky. Dylan has lots and lots of verified connections to the WH-- more than any other trans influencer-- and people don't want partisan figures on their beer. Bud appeals to lower class white people, a demographic that skews R. Of course they have an issue with it.

Are you saying that there wouldn't have been backlash if it would have been Laverne Cox instead? Be honest.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Oh dear, in the 70 and 80s they said the same about the excesses of LGB activism, how you wanted to redefine marriage and how you demanded access to the military where you would share showers and bunks and foxholes with 'normal' men, and how you should be quarantined because of the disease you carried.

I wonder whether you're actually gay or just too young and dumb. This was your people back then, and I stood up for you then. I marched for you in 'flamboyant' parades where some men wore bondage harnesses and women took their shirts off.

So where are you now?

This is a really excellent point. Just another example of trying to pull up the ladder. PP is clearly young and taking for granted how hard the fight that was that he didn't have to fight.

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I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.