Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

Are we talking about bathrooms or are we talking about locker rooms where people change clothes and shower?

Communal changing rooms and showers should be done away with and just have individual shower stalls. This whole thing will cease to be a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

Are we talking about bathrooms or are we talking about locker rooms where people change clothes and shower?

Communal changing rooms and showers should be done away with and just have individual shower stalls. This whole thing will cease to be a problem.

As someone with a highly visible disability who avoids swimming pools because of the communal changing rooms, I applaud this suggestion. It would make my life much better by making me more comfortable in spaces often inhospitable to disabled bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Ya wanna know what I'm sick of? I'm sick of your constant "blasted in my face" "shoved down my throat" rhetoric. I grew up in the '70s and '80s and there were rainbows all over kids stuff and NOBODY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT and it DIDN'T TURN ANYONE GAY OR TRANS. The constant nonstop barrage of right wing freakouts is too damn much and y'all need to STFU.

+100. The Republican bigotry we are experiencing is that they sat down and decided which minority group they could easily harass and discriminate against. Trans people are something like .04% of the population so they are basically defenseless. I'm tired of the fake Christians, the priests and ministers who relentlessly rape children. They are the ones grooming children. Tax the churches.

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Anonymous wrote:Veterans deserve a month. Not sexual preference.

They have it. See above and you can apologize.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

You’re so right! Men have never tried to gain access to vulnerable women by deception. Silly me! And can you tell me why The Thing That Never Happens (women/girls being predated by man identity ing as women or girls) keeps happening?

Source please?

You want sources of females being sexually assaulted by trans identifying men or just the instances in what we’re previously single-sex spaces?

Also what I’m looking for are more stats that trans men are more likely to assault women, or the percentage of men that predate on women that are just dressed up as men as opposed to not dressed up as men, rather than just individual incidents. There are bad actors in every group of people. I don’t like to generalize a group of people due to a few bad actors. Thanks again!

The point you are missing: when it’s taboo that men enter women’s spaces, people take note when it happens. When it becomes the norm, no one bats an eye making it SO much easier for women to be assaulted.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

See, you are in violent agreement with us. We also want them to be normal and think that most of them are normal. But that isn't what the activists are force feeding us. The activists are linking abnormal, aggressively hypersexual content to the essence of being LGBT. I don't think it is, and I reject that, and so do you. Welcome!

Okay, I’m willing to be open-minded about this then. Through this lens please explain the hate toward Dylan Mulvaney and the Target trans merch backlash please. I don’t see either of those things as hypersexual content. Thank you!

Again, we are in violent agreement. Dylan M and Target merch are not hypersexualized. Not all LGBT people or merch are hypersexualized.

The reaction to the Target merch was 1) it had swimsuits that allowed for "tucking" for kids-- and people are alarmed at the spreading contagion; and 2) Dylan is very closely associated with the Biden administration so she's inherently a.partisan figure. It's not far off from My Pillow Guy in terms of political association. Now, anytime I say that, someone says this isn't true. But I'm not pulling this out of the sky. Dylan has lots and lots of verified connections to the WH-- more than any other trans influencer-- and people don't want partisan figures on their beer. Bud appeals to lower class white people, a demographic that skews R. Of course they have an issue with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

DP but those stats don't ring true. Back in 1955 Kinsey claimed that 10% of white men were exclusively homosexual. This was the generation before the Boomers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale Gallup seems to think only 2.6% of that group were LGBT. Ha.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

So dear poster, if you hung out with gay people, you are saying they would make you gay? I have long hung out with gay people, I will never be gay. Sexuality doesn’t work that way. You are born that way, IMHO. If the chart is true, I would start looking at chemicals in our environment that affect embryos.

So sexuality isn't fluid. Can gender be fluid?

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

Are we talking about bathrooms or are we talking about locker rooms where people change clothes and shower?

Communal changing rooms and showers should be done away with and just have individual shower stalls. This whole thing will cease to be a problem.

Yes but that still wouldn't explain why they get bent out of shape about pronouns.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

It's not about minors anymore. Republicans are blocking it for adults too.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Well said. It's so annoying when someone raises a concern about, say, minors having puberty blockers, and then the left responds "you hate gay people." What?! The two things aren't related. You don't even have to hate or fear trans people to be concerned about a minors capacity to consent to life changing medical treatment.

It's not about minors anymore. Republicans are blocking it for adults too.

They are fighting certain things. For example, defining infertility as a trans woman unable to carry a pregnancy, to force insurance companies to pay for surrogates. And adults performing sexual entertainment to an audience that includes children. Neither of these things are anti gay though.

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Anonymous wrote:As a gay man I'm well attuned to the histrionics surrounding LGBTQ as a term because the real issue isn't the LGB but the T and Q. Plenty of gay people are concerned about the excesses of TQ activism and, frankly, there's not much in common between being LGB and TQ. If I worry about anything, it is that the backlash against TQ activism may hurt LGB despite that we have little in common with TQ. Gays and Lesbians aren't asking for science to be redefined to allow people to "change" gender nor do we cause controversy by demanding access to traditional gender spaces of the opposite gender. Nor did we cause a ruckus with the weird pronoun demands nor push something that is biologically impossible, such as non binarism. Nor did we demand people start using terms like birthing parent instead of pregnant mother.

My advice to the trans and queen activists is to stop dragging gays and lesbians into your activism in order to provide you with legitimacy.

Oh dear, in the 70 and 80s they said the same about the excesses of LGB activism, how you wanted to redefine marriage and how you demanded access to the military where you would share showers and bunks and foxholes with 'normal' men, and how you should be quarantined because of the disease you carried.

I wonder whether you're actually gay or just too young and dumb. This was your people back then, and I stood up for you then. I marched for you in 'flamboyant' parades where some men wore bondage harnesses and women took their shirts off.

So where are you now?