Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Defense of children is everyone’s business

If conservatives actually cared about the defense of children, they’d stop pushing for putting an AR-15 in the hands of anyone with a pulse.

Your point is that because our country has a gun violence problem, gender surgeries should be happening on minors?

NP. The point is stop being hypocrites and act like you give a crap about children when you don’t. This isn’t a hard concept.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Defense of children is everyone’s business

If conservatives actually cared about the defense of children, they’d stop pushing for putting an AR-15 in the hands of anyone with a pulse.

Your point is that because our country has a gun violence problem, gender surgeries should be happening on minors?

DP I think PP's point is that conservatives don't actually care about children because they refuse to do anything about all the children who die or are maimed by gun violence every single year. Not a damn thing, even though there are tons more children affected by gun violence than there are children "being groomed" to become transgendered. When you are more concerned about something that affects so few children than you are about a scourge of modern America that is the number one killer of children, then you may just be a hypocrite.

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Kim Petra’s had surgery as a minor. I’m sure she’ll detransition any day now lololol

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Defense of children is everyone’s business

If conservatives actually cared about the defense of children, they’d stop pushing for putting an AR-15 in the hands of anyone with a pulse.

Your point is that because our country has a gun violence problem, gender surgeries should be happening on minors?

DP I think PP's point is that conservatives don't actually care about children because they refuse to do anything about all the children who die or are maimed by gun violence every single year. Not a damn thing, even though there are tons more children affected by gun violence than there are children "being groomed" to become transgendered. When you are more concerned about something that affects so few children than you are about a scourge of modern America that is the number one killer of children, then you may just be a hypocrite.

Republicans favor different approaches to reducing gun violence. For example, enforcing laws. It makes little sense to create yet another law that won't be enforced. For the record, I used to be very in favor of gun control, and philosophically I still am. But if we've decided not to enforce laws, we are going to need access to guns to protect our families.

It's disingenuous to claim that conservatives don't care about protecting children simply because they think banning guns won't work.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Defense of children is everyone’s business

If conservatives actually cared about the defense of children, they’d stop pushing for putting an AR-15 in the hands of anyone with a pulse.

Your point is that because our country has a gun violence problem, gender surgeries should be happening on minors?

DP I think PP's point is that conservatives don't actually care about children because they refuse to do anything about all the children who die or are maimed by gun violence every single year. Not a damn thing, even though there are tons more children affected by gun violence than there are children "being groomed" to become transgendered. When you are more concerned about something that affects so few children than you are about a scourge of modern America that is the number one killer of children, then you may just be a hypocrite.

I wasn’t aware that people are only allowed to care about one issue at a time. Introducing gun violence in a thread about an entirely different topic is whataboutism and I’m not sure why it’s being permitted. Even more baffling is the fact that advocates for so-called gender affirming care are unable to make a compelling case for mutilating minors and always end up resorting to off topic whataboutism instead of explaining why this “lifesaving medical care” is medically necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

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Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

They will claim that if you don't buy the hormones, your kid will die by suicide. That way parents won't question the side effects.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all about enforcing gender roles where women are subservient to men. The genders must be clearly defined and men must control the relationship. Every iteration gets more abstract than the time before. First round is about women voting. Second round is about women having equal roles in society - owning property, having bank accounts, equal pay, etc. Third round is about accepting gay people into polite society. Now it’s politically unwise and socially unacceptable to fight those old battles directly. So you bash transgender people & indirectly try to push women back by taking away reproductive rights & making birth control harder to obtain.

Exactly, forcing women who are imprisoned to live with biological male sexual predators is truly helping women no longer be subservient to men.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

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Anonymous wrote:From the Holocaust Museum in Berlin earlier today. Homophobia, anti-trans, and anti-abortion are all linked:



Republicans are gleefully skipping down a well-trod path.

So the only way to not be a Nazi is to be in favor of performing sex changing surgeries on minors?

I thought you supported “parents rights”? Maybe just let parents figure out what is best for their kids. None of your business

Defense of children is everyone’s business

If conservatives actually cared about the defense of children, they’d stop pushing for putting an AR-15 in the hands of anyone with a pulse.

Your point is that because our country has a gun violence problem, gender surgeries should be happening on minors?

DP I think PP's point is that conservatives don't actually care about children because they refuse to do anything about all the children who die or are maimed by gun violence every single year. Not a damn thing, even though there are tons more children affected by gun violence than there are children "being groomed" to become transgendered. When you are more concerned about something that affects so few children than you are about a scourge of modern America that is the number one killer of children, then you may just be a hypocrite.

Republicans favor different approaches to reducing gun violence. For example, enforcing laws. It makes little sense to create yet another law that won't be enforced. For the record, I used to be very in favor of gun control, and philosophically I still am. But if we've decided not to enforce laws, we are going to need access to guns to protect our families.

It's disingenuous to claim that conservatives don't care about protecting children simply because they think banning guns won't work.

Tiresome argument and not true. All other civilized countries have gun restrictions that prevent what we experience in the US. And we had an assault weapons ban that did reduce violence. Then Republicans let it expire.

Never mind that Republicans love to natter on about "mental health" being the problem with gun violence and then refuse to do anything about getting everyone in this country on health insurance so they can afford to see doctors.

Because you value guns over children and human lives.

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Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

They will claim that if you don't buy the hormones, your kid will die by suicide. That way parents won't question the side effects.

Seems like you don't know any children who have attempted suicide or managed to do it. Would you like to talk to someone whose trans child succeeded? Or are you a hypocrite who really isn't interested in other people's lives except to control them to score political points?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/kentucky-senator-says-transgender-son-died-suicide-rcna62747

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

I guess you are unfamiliar with the movement by men who claim to have been harmed by their circumcisions. Or else you ignore them and think they are being overly dramatic. Which is true?

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

+1. Also, circumcision is an ancient practice, has been around for over 4000 years. It is not comparable to new, experimental surgeries and medical practices like hormones and hormone blockers. This generation is the guinea pig.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. Surgeries are children are just not that common. Give me a break. Sure you can point to individual cases but this not wide spread and not done without parental consent. It just doesn’t happen and is a massive red herring.

Puberty blockers are certainly more common and I agree with PP, let’s study it in a way where we get good data and try to make the best decisions based on real knowledge and not fear. But we won’t. We’ll just ban everything and not seek actual knowledge.

Look, I personally dislike religious whackos. I don’t care what religion. I think they’re all incredibly dangerous, especially for children. Does that mean we should ban religion? Of course not. Instead - hear me out here, stay with me- parents should make these decisions for their children and I stay out of those decisions that aren’t my children. I just don’t get who the hell any of you think you are to think you have any say in other peoples children. Especially since kids are getting blown to bits on a daily basis and your party has nothing but thoughts and prayers. Yeah that’s effective. Praying… yeah right.

So surgery is happening? I thought it wasn’t happening on minors. Which is it? I’m confused.

Happens to baby boys all the time.

This thread is discussing so-called gender affirmation and surgical procedures on minors. You are saying it happens all of the time. I thought it didn’t happen at all?

Cons are all up in arms because supposedly children are being maimed through surgery to their genitals and they want to ban that. Baby boys get maimed all the time in this country with surgery to their genitalia. Do you disagree with that?

These baby boys who are circumcised are not permanently sterilized, nor given non-functioning “organs” that will require medical intervention for the rest of their lives, nor turned into enuchs with zero capacity for sexual function as adults.

But you knew that, right? So stop with the ridiculous comparison

I guess you are unfamiliar with the movement by men who claim to have been harmed by their circumcisions. Or else you ignore them and think they are being overly dramatic. Which is true?

Dp, but 2 things can be true at once.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We want to ban it because mutilating children is weird, depraved, evil.

This was the rallying cry when they banned gender affirming care in Indiana even though no transgender surgeries were being performed on minors in the state. That’s how you know legislators are lying about their motivations. They banned puberty blockers which some kids need & which reduce suicide and self-harm. But right-wing legislators only wanted to talk about nonexistent surgeries.

Puberty blockers are not approved by the FDA to treat gender dysphoria, their impact on brain development is largely unknown, they can unleash a host of side effects — the extent of most are not fully understood, yet they’re doled out like candy to thousands of children. Regardless of one’s views of gender identity, this approach is flat out wrong.

You sound like the COVID anti-vaxxers who were full of shit too.

In any case, the people pushing the legislation in Indiana weren't talking about the FDA -- it was all fearmongering about child mutilation.

So puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are entirely safe for minors?

They will claim that if you don't buy the hormones, your kid will die by suicide. That way parents won't question the side effects.

Seems like you don't know any children who have attempted suicide or managed to do it. Would you like to talk to someone whose trans child succeeded? Or are you a hypocrite who really isn't interested in other people's lives except to control them to score political points?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/kentucky-senator-says-transgender-son-died-suicide-rcna62747

I think that is anti science. You need to demonstrate that these interventions reduce suicides. Simply calling me names won't resolve these concerns. It is totally legitimate to ask these questions and to need to see some evidence that this is an effective suicide reduction approach.