Florida expands "Don't say gay" law to k-12

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

Is desantis a closeted gay man or something? He seems obsessively focused on this non issue.

It’s hardly a non-issue. Fully support this and hope other states follow suit. There is simply no reason to be discussing/ promoting things like this in schools.

ITA. Our kids need to be educated in mathematics, history, science, technology, and language.
It is ridiculous to spend precious time discussing gender and sexuality.

And, note that discussion on gender and sexual identity are not banned in grades 4-12....

"would only allow discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in fourth through 12th grade if it is in line with state curriculum or in a health class a student can choose not to participate in." (from the link above)

And, one more thing.....

There is no such thing as "don't say gay" bill. In Florida, or anywhere else.

It's EXACTLY what it means. And you know it.

Teachers will be afraid, and stop any discussion. I can't wait until 10th graders start bringing it up and school. You know RW kids will tell their teachers, who will try to get the teachers fired.

Why should anything be off limits to talk about in school? are we not the home of the FREE and the BRAVE? I guess not.

Because some things- like sexual morals - should be taught at home, within the confines of individual family religious and other beliefs. I don’t want me kids taught about transgenderism. If you want your five year old “educated” on this subject, go right ahead.

The post is about 10th graders, not 5 year olds. That seems like a reasonable she to understand transgenderism at some level. What age would be appropriate in your opinion? I don't think I want my teenager to be an ignorant person.

Please tell us all what there is to "understand" about transgenderism. Other than... well....

First tell us what you "understand" about transgenderism and then we'll tell you what you're missing.

Do you spend any time listening to Chloe Cole and others who have been maimed permanently as teens?

How many trans people do you know in real life? How many have you talked to in real life? Have they all had surgery? Have the ones who had surgery regretted it?

Surveys of trans people have confirmed the majority feel better after transitioning.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/23/transgender-adults-transitioning-poll/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261554/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9417774/

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Anonymous wrote:I think the bigger question is why do conservatives think it’s cool to be a bigot. They don’t even try to deny it anymore. They fully embrace having one of the most socially unacceptable and immoral character flaws. I don’t get it.

Well, when your teachers and administrators start to encourage transition behind our backs and tell us that we, as parents, don’t matter, we tend to push back.

By “encourage” what you mean is “not condemn” a student who is trans. We know what you really want is to tell kids who probably already feel out of place that they are freaks and need to suppress their feelings.

We want them guided back to sanity by reasonable adults, not activists.

Could someone persuade you to transition? If not why do you think you can persuade a trans person to suppress their feelings?

Why are you so threatened by someone who wants to live as a different gender from birth? Really, why does this gnaw at you so much? It’s not your life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the bigger question is why do conservatives think it’s cool to be a bigot. They don’t even try to deny it anymore. They fully embrace having one of the most socially unacceptable and immoral character flaws. I don’t get it.

Well, when your teachers and administrators start to encourage transition behind our backs and tell us that we, as parents, don’t matter, we tend to push back.

By “encourage” what you mean is “not condemn” a student who is trans. We know what you really want is to tell kids who probably already feel out of place that they are freaks and need to suppress their feelings.

We want them guided back to sanity by reasonable adults, not activists.

You want to push them to the brink of suicide is what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are just obsessed with private parts- it’s disgusting and obscene. Change my mind.

I can’t. DH and I were discussing the R obsession with regulating sex in every way possible the other night. Like, who cares if trans women use the same bathroom I do? And we came to the conclusion that Cons just think about sex more than we do. I’m 48 and cannot recall ever seeing a trans woman in the restroom. And if 1-2% of the population is trans, that means I am regularly crossing paths with them in the restroom. After all, Cons tell you the women’s restroom has been taken over by men in dresses. I just don’t notice/ care.

So, I guess cons try to peep into stalls in a restroom? Go into a stall and pay attention to what the people in the stalls on each side are doing? Can’t relax until they are sure there are no masculine sounds or smells? Stare at other people in line and ponder their genitalia? Cause this is an EMERGENCY folks! The fate of our nation rests on whether the person in the next stall dangles.

I guess con see two men with a toddler and you don’t picture a game of hide and seek, you picture the guys having sex? A kid can’t write a college practice essay about their 2 moms for AP Lang, because all the teacher and other students will think about is what your moms do in bed? And, of course they should not have kids, because all the kids will be able to think about is what the moms do in bed.

It’s like they assume everyone thinks about all sex all the time (like they apparently do). So, they legislate mandatory repression of their out of control sexual obsession. Because going to the bathroom has become this sexually fraught event because there could be penises anywhere! Everywhere! Maybe right in the next stall! Does it sound like penis pee-ing? Meanwhile, the rest of us are like: why doesn’t the Kennedy Center have larger women’s restrooms? The lights are going to give the five m8nute warning any second, hurry up folks.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised Cons have a righ rate of sexual deviancy. In their world, everyone is hyperaware of genitalia and sexuality. They cant allow the straw that will break the camels back.

It's called "projection" ...they are projecting their own obsessions onto everyone else.

Almost right.

It's called proTection. Just one letter off.
Protecting our kids from the gender lobby and those who are pushing for kids to transition.
Protecting our kids from teachers who push gender crap in the classroom.
Protecting our kids from being exposed to totally inappropriate sexual content including drag shows.
Protecting our women from being forced to compete with biological men.

Look.... you folks are the ones pushing this bunch of nonsense. We are simply pushing back.

+1

Well said.

Do neither of you care about the statistically high rate of suicide and depression among LGBTQ youth? Like, it doesn't bother you at all that almost half of LGBTQ youth have considered suicide? Not even a little? Are gay teens monsters in your eyes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth

Shouldn’t we be telling these kids that it’s okay to be gay? It’s okay to be same-sex attracted? It’s okay to be gender non-conforming? That those things don’t mean you were born in the wrong body? That you’re perfect as you are? Why are we telling them they need hormones and surgery? That’s the flat out wrong messaging.

I'm not an expert on this, but I have seen accounts of people who are transgender say that they have always felt like they were born in the wrong body and that they truly feel like they were supposed to be the opposite sex. Just calling themselves gender non conforming doesn't relieve the extreme discomfort they feel. They said that they felt this way when they were very young, before anyone else knew or before they really understood what that meant. I'm sure that's not everyone, but for at least some it is something they always felt even before they had the words for it. It's not like it was a topic of conversation until relatively recently. No one was planting the idea in people's heads back when no one talked about it at all.

I don't agree with anyone pushing kids to transition, to the extent that it may be occurring. But people who truly feel they were supposed to be a different gender probably won't feel any better just being told they're perfect the way they are.

From a psychiatrist who deals with teens/transgenders

A child/young adult who states that they always felt this way when they were young, etc - there are ALWAYS signs because kids that young cannot suppress their feelings and mannerisms. As a parent of a now transgender adult who is on the spectrum and has multiple physical issues that caused him to be relentlessly bullied in the publics, my kid never ever expressed that in mannerisms, behavior, etc. as a young kid. We have multiple medical professionals in the family and all were blindsided as well. Contrast that to another member of the family (not our nuclear) who we knew was probably gay from early childhood, just by mannerisms, etc. That classically feminine behavior could not be suppressed as a two/three year old. The only thing that surprised extended family is that he is a staunch R and a Trump supporter, out and proud. Went to many events on the WH lawn fully out and has never had any issues. Imagine that!

This is patently false. You haven't met many gay men if the only ones you've met are stereotypically effeminate.

Additionally, transgender is an adjective. It is not a nouns. This would be like calling a group of people you find attractive as "look at all those attractives". The fact that right chooses to dehumanize trans people by saying "transgenders" instead of "transgender people" just further shows dehumanization. Trans people are people. They're "transgenders".

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This hysteria over trans people is going to be looked at as the witch hunts of the 21st century.

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Anonymous wrote:This hysteria over trans people is going to be looked at as the witch hunts of the 21st century.

Or repressed memories.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the bigger question is why do conservatives think it’s cool to be a bigot. They don’t even try to deny it anymore. They fully embrace having one of the most socially unacceptable and immoral character flaws. I don’t get it.

Well, when your teachers and administrators start to encourage transition behind our backs and tell us that we, as parents, don’t matter, we tend to push back.

By “encourage” what you mean is “not condemn” a student who is trans. We know what you really want is to tell kids who probably already feel out of place that they are freaks and need to suppress their feelings.

We want them guided back to sanity by reasonable adults, not activists.

You want to push them to the brink of suicide is what you want.

Oh cut the drama. How many 5 year olds do you know who are suicidal?

[Anonymous]

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

You guys are illiterate?

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) last month proposed to the board a rule that would only allow discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in fourth through 12th grade if it is in line with state curriculum or in a health class a student can choose not to participate in."


That's how the civilized world does education. Teaching is aligned with the curriculum, not with partisan propaganda.

Are you seriously that gullible? Let me spell it out for you. They are going to change the curriculum to ensure this doesn’t align with it. “If it aligns with the state curriculum” is subjective and vague. Make it confusing so that teachers have no idea if it’s aligned or not. Plenty of teachers are removing classic literature from their content and libraries because of this. It’s easier to just not go there, hence the moniker Don’t Say Gay.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the bigger question is why do conservatives think it’s cool to be a bigot. They don’t even try to deny it anymore. They fully embrace having one of the most socially unacceptable and immoral character flaws. I don’t get it.

Well, when your teachers and administrators start to encourage transition behind our backs and tell us that we, as parents, don’t matter, we tend to push back.

By “encourage” what you mean is “not condemn” a student who is trans. We know what you really want is to tell kids who probably already feel out of place that they are freaks and need to suppress their feelings.

We want them guided back to sanity by reasonable adults, not activists.

You want to push them to the brink of suicide is what you want.

This is discussing the expansion to 12th grade. How many 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, or 18 year olds do you know who are suicidal?


Oh cut the drama. How many 5 year olds do you know who are suicidal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3958769-florida-education-board-approves-desantiss-expansion-of-dont-say-gay-reports/.



For all those who defended this because "little kids don't need to know about homosexuality" -- we told you this was coming.

You guys are illiterate?

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) last month proposed to the board a rule that would only allow discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in fourth through 12th grade if it is in line with state curriculum or in a health class a student can choose not to participate in."


That's how the civilized world does education. Teaching is aligned with the curriculum, not with partisan propaganda.

Are you seriously that gullible? Let me spell it out for you. They are going to change the curriculum to ensure this doesn’t align with it. “If it aligns with the state curriculum” is subjective and vague. Make it confusing so that teachers have no idea if it’s aligned or not. Plenty of teachers are removing classic literature from their content and libraries because of this. It’s easier to just not go there, hence the moniker Don’t Say Gay.

Some things are not so confusing after all:

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JXZuXxc3M[/youtube]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are just obsessed with private parts- it’s disgusting and obscene. Change my mind.

I can’t. DH and I were discussing the R obsession with regulating sex in every way possible the other night. Like, who cares if trans women use the same bathroom I do? And we came to the conclusion that Cons just think about sex more than we do. I’m 48 and cannot recall ever seeing a trans woman in the restroom. And if 1-2% of the population is trans, that means I am regularly crossing paths with them in the restroom. After all, Cons tell you the women’s restroom has been taken over by men in dresses. I just don’t notice/ care.

So, I guess cons try to peep into stalls in a restroom? Go into a stall and pay attention to what the people in the stalls on each side are doing? Can’t relax until they are sure there are no masculine sounds or smells? Stare at other people in line and ponder their genitalia? Cause this is an EMERGENCY folks! The fate of our nation rests on whether the person in the next stall dangles.

I guess con see two men with a toddler and you don’t picture a game of hide and seek, you picture the guys having sex? A kid can’t write a college practice essay about their 2 moms for AP Lang, because all the teacher and other students will think about is what your moms do in bed? And, of course they should not have kids, because all the kids will be able to think about is what the moms do in bed.

It’s like they assume everyone thinks about all sex all the time (like they apparently do). So, they legislate mandatory repression of their out of control sexual obsession. Because going to the bathroom has become this sexually fraught event because there could be penises anywhere! Everywhere! Maybe right in the next stall! Does it sound like penis pee-ing? Meanwhile, the rest of us are like: why doesn’t the Kennedy Center have larger women’s restrooms? The lights are going to give the five m8nute warning any second, hurry up folks.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised Cons have a righ rate of sexual deviancy. In their world, everyone is hyperaware of genitalia and sexuality. They cant allow the straw that will break the camels back.

It's called "projection" ...they are projecting their own obsessions onto everyone else.

Almost right.

It's called proTection. Just one letter off.
Protecting our kids from the gender lobby and those who are pushing for kids to transition.
Protecting our kids from teachers who push gender crap in the classroom.
Protecting our kids from being exposed to totally inappropriate sexual content including drag shows.
Protecting our women from being forced to compete with biological men.

Look.... you folks are the ones pushing this bunch of nonsense. We are simply pushing back.

1. Drag shows and story time are two very different things
2. I'd be much more worried about my kind being raped or groomed at church (and the numbers bear that out)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are just obsessed with private parts- it’s disgusting and obscene. Change my mind.

I can’t. DH and I were discussing the R obsession with regulating sex in every way possible the other night. Like, who cares if trans women use the same bathroom I do? And we came to the conclusion that Cons just think about sex more than we do. I’m 48 and cannot recall ever seeing a trans woman in the restroom. And if 1-2% of the population is trans, that means I am regularly crossing paths with them in the restroom. After all, Cons tell you the women’s restroom has been taken over by men in dresses. I just don’t notice/ care.

So, I guess cons try to peep into stalls in a restroom? Go into a stall and pay attention to what the people in the stalls on each side are doing? Can’t relax until they are sure there are no masculine sounds or smells? Stare at other people in line and ponder their genitalia? Cause this is an EMERGENCY folks! The fate of our nation rests on whether the person in the next stall dangles.

I guess con see two men with a toddler and you don’t picture a game of hide and seek, you picture the guys having sex? A kid can’t write a college practice essay about their 2 moms for AP Lang, because all the teacher and other students will think about is what your moms do in bed? And, of course they should not have kids, because all the kids will be able to think about is what the moms do in bed.

It’s like they assume everyone thinks about all sex all the time (like they apparently do). So, they legislate mandatory repression of their out of control sexual obsession. Because going to the bathroom has become this sexually fraught event because there could be penises anywhere! Everywhere! Maybe right in the next stall! Does it sound like penis pee-ing? Meanwhile, the rest of us are like: why doesn’t the Kennedy Center have larger women’s restrooms? The lights are going to give the five m8nute warning any second, hurry up folks.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised Cons have a righ rate of sexual deviancy. In their world, everyone is hyperaware of genitalia and sexuality. They cant allow the straw that will break the camels back.

It's called "projection" ...they are projecting their own obsessions onto everyone else.

Almost right.

It's called proTection. Just one letter off.
Protecting our kids from the gender lobby and those who are pushing for kids to transition.
Protecting our kids from teachers who push gender crap in the classroom.
Protecting our kids from being exposed to totally inappropriate sexual content including drag shows.
Protecting our women from being forced to compete with biological men.

Look.... you folks are the ones pushing this bunch of nonsense. We are simply pushing back.

1. Drag shows and story time are two very different things
2. I'd be much more worried about my kind being raped or groomed at church (and the numbers bear that out)

DP. You're not helping your cause when you can't even say that guys dressed inappropriately are inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are just obsessed with private parts- it’s disgusting and obscene. Change my mind.

I can’t. DH and I were discussing the R obsession with regulating sex in every way possible the other night. Like, who cares if trans women use the same bathroom I do? And we came to the conclusion that Cons just think about sex more than we do. I’m 48 and cannot recall ever seeing a trans woman in the restroom. And if 1-2% of the population is trans, that means I am regularly crossing paths with them in the restroom. After all, Cons tell you the women’s restroom has been taken over by men in dresses. I just don’t notice/ care.

So, I guess cons try to peep into stalls in a restroom? Go into a stall and pay attention to what the people in the stalls on each side are doing? Can’t relax until they are sure there are no masculine sounds or smells? Stare at other people in line and ponder their genitalia? Cause this is an EMERGENCY folks! The fate of our nation rests on whether the person in the next stall dangles.

I guess con see two men with a toddler and you don’t picture a game of hide and seek, you picture the guys having sex? A kid can’t write a college practice essay about their 2 moms for AP Lang, because all the teacher and other students will think about is what your moms do in bed? And, of course they should not have kids, because all the kids will be able to think about is what the moms do in bed.

It’s like they assume everyone thinks about all sex all the time (like they apparently do). So, they legislate mandatory repression of their out of control sexual obsession. Because going to the bathroom has become this sexually fraught event because there could be penises anywhere! Everywhere! Maybe right in the next stall! Does it sound like penis pee-ing? Meanwhile, the rest of us are like: why doesn’t the Kennedy Center have larger women’s restrooms? The lights are going to give the five m8nute warning any second, hurry up folks.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised Cons have a righ rate of sexual deviancy. In their world, everyone is hyperaware of genitalia and sexuality. They cant allow the straw that will break the camels back.

It's called "projection" ...they are projecting their own obsessions onto everyone else.

Almost right.

It's called proTection. Just one letter off.
Protecting our kids from the gender lobby and those who are pushing for kids to transition.
Protecting our kids from teachers who push gender crap in the classroom.
Protecting our kids from being exposed to totally inappropriate sexual content including drag shows.
Protecting our women from being forced to compete with biological men.

Look.... you folks are the ones pushing this bunch of nonsense. We are simply pushing back.

1. Drag shows and story time are two very different things
2. I'd be much more worried about my kind being raped or groomed at church (and the numbers bear that out)

DP. You're not helping your cause when you can't even say that guys dressed inappropriately are inappropriate.

I have no problem with men wearing a dress if they choose to, the question is why do you have a problem with it? Every parent should teach their kids that a man dressed in a robe with a white collar should mean predator.

[Anonymous]

Nobody is coming forth with any specific examples of public school teaching that endangered children, so I conclude this law is all smoke and mirrors and distraction

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are just obsessed with private parts- it’s disgusting and obscene. Change my mind.

I can’t. DH and I were discussing the R obsession with regulating sex in every way possible the other night. Like, who cares if trans women use the same bathroom I do? And we came to the conclusion that Cons just think about sex more than we do. I’m 48 and cannot recall ever seeing a trans woman in the restroom. And if 1-2% of the population is trans, that means I am regularly crossing paths with them in the restroom. After all, Cons tell you the women’s restroom has been taken over by men in dresses. I just don’t notice/ care.

So, I guess cons try to peep into stalls in a restroom? Go into a stall and pay attention to what the people in the stalls on each side are doing? Can’t relax until they are sure there are no masculine sounds or smells? Stare at other people in line and ponder their genitalia? Cause this is an EMERGENCY folks! The fate of our nation rests on whether the person in the next stall dangles.

I guess con see two men with a toddler and you don’t picture a game of hide and seek, you picture the guys having sex? A kid can’t write a college practice essay about their 2 moms for AP Lang, because all the teacher and other students will think about is what your moms do in bed? And, of course they should not have kids, because all the kids will be able to think about is what the moms do in bed.

It’s like they assume everyone thinks about all sex all the time (like they apparently do). So, they legislate mandatory repression of their out of control sexual obsession. Because going to the bathroom has become this sexually fraught event because there could be penises anywhere! Everywhere! Maybe right in the next stall! Does it sound like penis pee-ing? Meanwhile, the rest of us are like: why doesn’t the Kennedy Center have larger women’s restrooms? The lights are going to give the five m8nute warning any second, hurry up folks.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised Cons have a righ rate of sexual deviancy. In their world, everyone is hyperaware of genitalia and sexuality. They cant allow the straw that will break the camels back.

It's called "projection" ...they are projecting their own obsessions onto everyone else.

Almost right.

It's called proTection. Just one letter off.
Protecting our kids from the gender lobby and those who are pushing for kids to transition.
Protecting our kids from teachers who push gender crap in the classroom.
Protecting our kids from being exposed to totally inappropriate sexual content including drag shows.
Protecting our women from being forced to compete with biological men.

Look.... you folks are the ones pushing this bunch of nonsense. We are simply pushing back.

1. Drag shows and story time are two very different things
2. I'd be much more worried about my kind being raped or groomed at church (and the numbers bear that out)

DP. You're not helping your cause when you can't even say that guys dressed inappropriately are inappropriate.

I have no problem with men wearing a dress if they choose to, the question is why do you have a problem with it? Every parent should teach their kids that a man dressed in a robe with a white collar should mean predator.

Troll.