San Franciso reparations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please make the ancestors of slave owners pay and the federal government. USG will just print more money, no problem.

This is a SF program so would have to be paid for by their tax base. Maybe they could make a metaphorical cookie jar that Silicon Valley executives would have to put money in whenever they offend someone on social media.

SF need not worry, because, if reparations passes, few will be living in SF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify something for me? Is the purpose of reparations to redress:

a. damages for the violation of human rights and mistreatment during slavery
b. compensation for wages which should have been paid to slaves for their work
c. mistreatment and discrimination after the end of slavery including the denial of economic opportunities

Or is it not possible to separate this out?

d. And presumably the costs of housing and feeding the slaves will be deducted.
e. And presumably we can recover some of the costs from the Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.
f. And then presumably reparations will be due Native Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.
g.Yes, of course, African Americans (and Native Americans) had it worst.
h. Of course, the citizens paying these bills never owned slaves.
i. Not sure how we stay united if we head down this path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify something for me? Is the purpose of reparations to redress:

a. damages for the violation of human rights and mistreatment during slavery
b. compensation for wages which should have been paid to slaves for their work
c. mistreatment and discrimination after the end of slavery including the denial of economic opportunities

Or is it not possible to separate this out?

d. And presumably the costs of housing and feeding the slaves will be deducted.
e. And presumably we can recover some of the costs from the Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.
f. And then presumably reparations will be due Native Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.
g.Yes, of course, African Americans (and Native Americans) had it worst.
h. Of course, the citizens paying these bills never owned slaves.
i. Not sure how we stay united if we head down this path.

WT-EVER LOVING-FU45 ARE YOU STATING HERE!??

[Anonymous]

Isn't paying blacks now is the same as buying them as slaves back then? What is the different if you pay for them as a commodity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't paying blacks now is the same as buying them as slaves back then? What is the different if you pay for them as a commodity?

? I don't necessarily agree with what SF is doing here, but you are whacked (dumb).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify something for me? Is the purpose of reparations to redress:

a. damages for the violation of human rights and mistreatment during slavery
b. compensation for wages which should have been paid to slaves for their work
c. mistreatment and discrimination after the end of slavery including the denial of economic opportunities

Or is it not possible to separate this out?

d. And presumably the costs of housing and feeding the slaves will be deducted.
e. And presumably we can recover some of the costs from the Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.
f. And then presumably reparations will be due Native Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.
g.Yes, of course, African Americans (and Native Americans) had it worst.
h. Of course, the citizens paying these bills never owned slaves.
i. Not sure how we stay united if we head down this path.

And now CA wants to pay every eligible African American $360K as reparations, costing CA $640B. Its annual budget is $300B. CA is already losing residents. Great way to speed up that process. Not sure whether any taxpayers will be left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify something for me? Is the purpose of reparations to redress:

a. damages for the violation of human rights and mistreatment during slavery
b. compensation for wages which should have been paid to slaves for their work
c. mistreatment and discrimination after the end of slavery including the denial of economic opportunities

Or is it not possible to separate this out?

d. And presumably the costs of housing and feeding the slaves will be deducted.
e. And presumably we can recover some of the costs from the Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.
f. And then presumably reparations will be due Native Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.
g.Yes, of course, African Americans (and Native Americans) had it worst.
h. Of course, the citizens paying these bills never owned slaves.
i. Not sure how we stay united if we head down this path.

Ironically the people paying the bills will also end up including black taxpayers, descendants of indentured servants, native Americans, recent immigrants to the US and so on.

The biggest issue I have with reparations schemes is who pays / who receives?

You could be African-American, but your parents or grandparents came here from Nigeria or Somalia and were never slaves. Are you still eligible? Or you are African-American, but came from the West Indies - your ancestors were slaves, but not by US slaveowners. Why should the US pay, shouldn't Britain or whatever other colonizing power?

It's so messy.

[Anonymous]

This will help solidly Newsom’s presidential aspirations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify something for me? Is the purpose of reparations to redress:

a. damages for the violation of human rights and mistreatment during slavery
b. compensation for wages which should have been paid to slaves for their work
c. mistreatment and discrimination after the end of slavery including the denial of economic opportunities

Or is it not possible to separate this out?

d. And presumably the costs of housing and feeding the slaves will be deducted.
e. And presumably we can recover some of the costs from the Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.
f. And then presumably reparations will be due Native Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, etc.
g.Yes, of course, African Americans (and Native Americans) had it worst.
h. Of course, the citizens paying these bills never owned slaves.
i. Not sure how we stay united if we head down this path.

Ironically the people paying the bills will also end up including black taxpayers, descendants of indentured servants, native Americans, recent immigrants to the US and so on.

The biggest issue I have with reparations schemes is who pays / who receives?

You could be African-American, but your parents or grandparents came here from Nigeria or Somalia and were never slaves. Are you still eligible? Or you are African-American, but came from the West Indies - your ancestors were slaves, but not by US slaveowners. Why should the US pay, shouldn't Britain or whatever other colonizing power?

It's so messy.

No it's not messy. We should just do whatever is asked and not argue over any amount especially, since disputing any figure runs the risk of being "racist". Heck, why stop at $5mm a pop. Let's just make it a cool $5bn.

[Anonymous]

My great-grandparents didn’t come over to the US until the 20th century. They received no government assistance of any kind. They were quite poor and often did not have enough to eat. While they were not slaves they did manual labor on the docks and in factories and did not receive fair wages. The children of my great-grandparents on both sides were later drafted into service during WWII. My grandfather along with six great uncles all served. Since then my family has worked hard, paid a lot of taxes and stayed out of prison. I’m not paying anything. Let the families of slave owners pay reparations. They are the families that own many properties, land, have large trusts, attend the best schools and still discriminate against working class families like mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My great-grandparents didn’t come over to the US until the 20th century. They received no government assistance of any kind. They were quite poor and often did not have enough to eat. While they were not slaves they did manual labor on the docks and in factories and did not receive fair wages. The children of my great-grandparents on both sides were later drafted into service during WWII. My grandfather along with six great uncles all served. Since then my family has worked hard, paid a lot of taxes and stayed out of prison. I’m not paying anything. Let the families of slave owners pay reparations. They are the families that own many properties, land, have large trusts, attend the best schools and still discriminate against working class families like mine.

Too bad. Reparations amounts in any size or format must be immediately agreed to or else you are "racist"

[Anonymous]

What about the native americans? Where are their reparations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who is against the reparations is racist. Period.

This, 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the native americans? Where are their reparations?

For what? They lost their land in a series of wars. That’s life. Winners and losers. When we eventually have another civil war in this country, do you think 3 generations afterwards we’ll be paying reparations to the descendants of republicans we killed in the war? Nope. They lost. They’re done. Move on.

[Anonymous]

Not just SF... all of California.

California's reparations task force is preparing to recommend that the Golden State apologize and issue "down payments" to Black residents as a way to make amends for slavery and discrimination, although the state explicitly outlawed slavery when it joined the Union in 1850.

The task force, created by state legislation signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in 2020, on Monday published more than 500 pages of documents indicating it plans to recommend California issue a formal apology for slavery and racism and consider payments of varying amounts to eligible Black Californians.

The draft report also recommends a slew of policy changes, including banning cash bail, a controversial move that some have blamed for increases in crime in areas that have adopted it.

Economists predicted in a preliminary estimate in March that California's reparations plan could cost the state over $800 billion. The task force, which consulted five economists and policy experts to arrive at the number, clarified at the time that the total didn't include compensation for property that the group says was taken unjustly or for the devaluation of Black-owned businesses.

California's total annual state budget sits at roughly $300 billion.

However, the task force's latest batch of documents, which include a draft final report and agenda items to discuss at an upcoming meeting, don't contain an overall price tag. Instead, they outline ways California could calculate how much money Black residents have lost since 1850, when the state was established, through today due to discrimination.
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Critics say the reparations proposals are fiscally unmanageable for a state already facing a deficit of tens of billions of dollars and argue it doesn't make sense to implement them when California never allowed slavery.