I'll say it slowly ... prospective employers know that college athletes were favored in undergraduate admissions. Might be a matter of pride or shame for the athlete -- but the employers' perception still exists and can affect job prospects. |
Utter nonsense. |
Uh no. Americans revere athletes. Having been one is a plus in many workplaces too. |
Athletes have a huge advantage in the workplace. It doesn’t matter if it’s Division l or lll. |
That's only because there's more of them qualified and available. Doesn't mean that within the same org for the same job, an Asian is getting paid more than a white, black or hispanic nor does it mean that organizations want to hire an Asian over the other groups. My point still stands. |
- Asian Americans are not treated any better than other non-Whites. It's just that they don't engage in behavior that tends to attract police attention. - AAs are not given any preference in pay. No AA I know has seen that in their careers. Just because AA's as a group have the highest average salary doesn't mean each of them makes more than their non-Asian peers. - Internships - Companies are falling all over themselves to hire URMs. Internships are no different. Why would an Asian have an advantage here? |
I'm a URM from a first gen and low-income college family. I definitely had to be way better than everyone else to be considered as good as the white kids. If white people weren't so damn racist and didn't assume we aren't as smart and talented as they are (we're often even smarter and more talented) this wouldn't be an issue. I always just laugh to myself when white people underestimate me and I then leave them in the dust. That's what they get for thinking I don't deserve the degrees I earned from top schools.
You know who really needs to practice some self-doubt? White guys who get thrown into the smart people pool just because other people are lazy and don't vet them properly. |
I'm very pro Affirmative Action. I was a beneficiary of the programs in the 1980s and 1990s as a URM. Maybe it's that I went to HSP schools, but all of the AA kids around me were stellar students. Sure, some of us went to crap high schools that didn't offer all the great academic opportunities that the rich kids whose parents went to college received. But we were gunners and worked hard. We all had the innate talent and brain power to meet the school's standards in our classes. What I don't get are kids who have one URM parent, don't look like and aren't treated like a URM, live in a middle or UMC white neighborhood and have lots of resources, but they still can't perform. Some of these kids are getting admitted to selective colleges with crap grades and low test scores. My SAT score (only took it once, without studying) might have been in the bottom quartile of the entering class. But that was still a really quite high score, especially given that English was my second language and my mom didn't even graduate from high school. Now I'm seeing kids who call themselves Mike instead of Miguel who are too lazy to bother studying for the SAT even though their parents could easily pay for test prep. They have mediocre grades and don't take the most rigorous courses. Nonetheless, they're being admitted to decent competitive schools. That is just wrong. If I were those kids, I'd enter college "feeling pressure to prove" myself. |
Perhaps gaslighting one minority group to uplift another is not a good move for the “solidarity” you seek. If it’s rampant and systemic racism you seek to eradicate, then don’t accept it in ANY sphere of our society.- try not to accept systemic racism in college admissions where it does not pertain to you and then show grievance towards it elsewhere where it does- then seek solidarity. ..Your system isn’t designed to help Asian Americans either so what’s that say about you and white supremacy? |
Textbook Dunning-Kruger. |
While I agree with the PP that some teachers may have unconscious bias towards URMs and grade harder and assume they will not be as high achieving as whites, it also cannot be denied that the advantage being URM in the college admissions process is an equalizer. I am not URM and I view it as fair, considering the bump/hook that alumni give kids is a result of systemic racism that allows whites to BE alums in the first place. At my kid's highly competitive private, the kids getting in early to top 10% schools are 80% URM. They are all qualified. So are the dozens that got rejected. It's just the way it it. Holistic admissions, as has been pointed out, gives weight to a lot of things. But from the DMV there are lots of high stats kids and to differentiate, being URM helps. The numbers don't lie. And it's a process that needs to happen to right systemic wrongs. |
This. |
The next generation of children of poor immigrants who managed to crawl their way up towards UMC are a bit entitled and privileged. They don't have the same drive and hunger to get out of poverty. In essence, they become "Americanized". This is true no matter what race you are. Lots of poor European immigrants crawl out of poverty, too, and their next generation becomes Americanized and complacent. Of course, this is a generalization. YMMV -child of poor immigrants who sees this in the next American born generation |
This particular thread was about Asian American females. How many of them are in executive positions of large companies? But, let's look at overall. Yes, there are some SE Asians in executive positions. But overall, statistics show that white males still dominate executive positions. You are cherry picking. |
You are confused because you don't have any basic data analysis skills. Statistics show that Asian Americans are the highest educated and paid, but that doesn't mean they all went to elite universities. You understand that, right? One puts time and money into things one prioritizes. I bet OP and their DD prioritized education. And that is awesome. We all should, but not everyone does. Data doesn't lie. Why do you think school districts pull out the URM data, even for non FARMs, when tracking the achievement gap? They don't pull out Asian American FARMs data. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/equity-accountability-model.html |