URMs Feeling Pressure to Prove Themselves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just own it, who cares what other people think? I guess I just don't get this line of thinking. People scream ad-nauseum about white privilege, take a look at how all those white people cope on a day to day basis as they drip with all of their privilege and live their easy lives and incorporate it into your paradigm for life.

Exactly.

Besides, the reasoning behind AA is that all things are not equal. So your child didn't have it easier than others along the way to admission.

If the kid taking advantage of AA is from a UMC household, they do have it easier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

I am so sick of people saying "I don't test well.' There are plenty of people receiving 'accommodations' for longer time and other accommodations if there are legitimate grounds.

There are even people receiving 'accommodations' based on fake diagnosis to get additional time for tests etc.

Saying 'I don't test well' is like saying 'I don't run well' for athletic tryouts and saying I don't pretend/lie well for trying out for acting parts etc. etc. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

Keep moving the goalposts

These lower stats kids are somehow more likable, kind, and have more courage LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

Keep moving the goalposts

These lower stats kids are somehow more likable, kind, and have more courage LOL

Stop making things up to feed your narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

I am so sick of people saying "I don't test well.' There are plenty of people receiving 'accommodations' for longer time and other accommodations if there are legitimate grounds.

There are even people receiving 'accommodations' based on fake diagnosis to get additional time for tests etc.

Saying 'I don't test well' is like saying 'I don't run well' for athletic tryouts and saying I don't pretend/lie well for trying out for acting parts etc. etc. Ridiculous.

Adhd parent here. Your allegations and analogy are inaccurate. Accommodations don't really address the issues even though they help. So, this is a really ignorant thing to say. You just don't understand, and that's ok, but don't weigh in as if you do, then.

[Anonymous]

Test taking is very important and critical ability throughout one's professional career

This should absolutely part of college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can’t have it both ways OP. That’s what you/your kids have to pay. They will never shake that doubt in other people’s eyes.

True

Signed, URM family who'd rather their kids study abroad to prevent this (plus recent woke nonsense)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t have it both ways OP. That’s what you/your kids have to pay. They will never shake that doubt in other people’s eyes.

True

Signed, URM family who'd rather their kids study abroad to prevent this (plus recent woke nonsense)

Right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

I am so sick of people saying "I don't test well.' There are plenty of people receiving 'accommodations' for longer time and other accommodations if there are legitimate grounds.

There are even people receiving 'accommodations' based on fake diagnosis to get additional time for tests etc.

Saying 'I don't test well' is like saying 'I don't run well' for athletic tryouts and saying I don't pretend/lie well for trying out for acting parts etc. etc. Ridiculous.

Adhd parent here. Your allegations and analogy are inaccurate. Accommodations don't really address the issues even though they help. So, this is a really ignorant thing to say. You just don't understand, and that's ok, but don't weigh in as if you do, then.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t have it both ways OP. That’s what you/your kids have to pay. They will never shake that doubt in other people’s eyes.

True

Signed, URM family who'd rather their kids study abroad to prevent this (plus recent woke nonsense)

Right

A million options out there, you should expand your mind:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.

Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.

Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.

I am so sick of people saying "I don't test well.' There are plenty of people receiving 'accommodations' for longer time and other accommodations if there are legitimate grounds.

There are even people receiving 'accommodations' based on fake diagnosis to get additional time for tests etc.

Saying 'I don't test well' is like saying 'I don't run well' for athletic tryouts and saying I don't pretend/lie well for trying out for acting parts etc. etc. Ridiculous.

+1. OMG! Thank you for saying this! I always wonder how those kids do in quizzes, mid-terms, etc if they don't 'test well'. This is a common excuse used by parents of kids with strong GPAs but mediocre SATs. Just say your kid is not that smart but a hard worker, or that you are spending a ton of money on academic tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.

No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.

Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.

OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.

+1. Let me add another layer on top of this.. What about the not-so-smart Asian kids? or those with ADHD? Any request for advice for them is met with "yeah.. they are screwed". The Asian factor weighs on them like a ton of bricks. A similar URM would have sooo many options!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t have it both ways OP. That’s what you/your kids have to pay. They will never shake that doubt in other people’s eyes.

True

Signed, URM family who'd rather their kids study abroad to prevent this (plus recent woke nonsense)

Right

A million options out there, you should expand your mind:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking

Please share that with the URMs that insist on going to T-50 schools without the corresponding Asian level grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.

Hmm.. That's what I thought.. but why do we follow communist practices when it comes to college admissions? Should they be considered communist practices or just corrupt practices?

Ok, Karen.

Ah.. the ad-hominem begins. Brain run out of steam (assuming you have one)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

But outgunning and stealing all the land from the natives entitles you to all the land? Doesn't the land belong "in the hands of people who have lived there for generations"? When are you returning it?

"The land" is nothing. "The land" is just dirt with some buildings on it. "The land" is not Harvard. The natives did not build Harvard or any other university, and therefore it is pointless to talk about "returning it" to them.

How convenient! Without the land, where will you have 'built' harvard? On a cloud?