Now we know where Hogan stands

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

[b]Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open[/b].[/quote]

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. [b]The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected). [/b]

The main question here is [b]what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?[/b]

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.[/quote]

And, what gives YOU the right to keep my kid at home?

You have had the option of Virtual and still have that option. The rest of us want the option of in-person school. [/quote]

Again, you shifted the narrative to all-or-nothing. See the part in bold above. Now, try to argue the actual point made - and truthfully, please.

What gives YOU the right to force MY child to be in-person?[/quote]

School is open for the people who wish to attend. You can absolutely pull your child out and homeschool them[/quote]

Exactly. Both options already exist. You can choose to go in-person or could can select a virtual schooling option. The pivoting between the two is not sustainable, which is why it’s been almost entirely phased out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

Yet again you change the narrative.

The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

Never argued that your family shouldn't have a right to keep your child in-person if you want to.

My question was always why YOU are trying to force MY child in-person?

DP, but I think you fundamentally don’t understand several key things.

-How large and diverse MCPS is, i.e., it’s nearly impossible to have the flexibility for temporary, robust virtual learning for some undetermined segment of the population
-The role of public schools in society
-That public health needs to take myriad outcomes into account, not just COVID
-How effective vaccines are at preventing severe outcomes, especially in children

I’d bet money you consider yourself liberal; the irony of your entitlement is profound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

Maybe we should ask patients if they sent their kids to in person school and deny them care. You are sick. In person education is not the reason for people in the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

Maybe we should ask patients if they sent their kids to in person school and deny them care. You are sick. In person education is not the reason for people in the hospital.

Unmasked kids eating in lunchrooms is never an issue.

The MCPS narrative is that all parents ditch their kids to hang out in bars or restaurants, infect their kids, then send their kids into school sick, and that accounts for all of the covid numbers.

I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

Maybe we should ask patients if they sent their kids to in person school and deny them care. You are sick. In person education is not the reason for people in the hospital.

Unmasked kids eating in lunchrooms is never an issue.

The MCPS narrative is that all parents ditch their kids to hang out in bars or restaurants, infect their kids, then send their kids into school sick, and that accounts for all of the covid numbers.

I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

If MCPS had just gone virtual for two weeks, the pandemic would be over in Maryland. Maybe the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

Maybe we should ask patients if they sent their kids to in person school and deny them care. You are sick. In person education is not the reason for people in the hospital.

Unmasked kids eating in lunchrooms is never an issue.

The MCPS narrative is that all parents ditch their kids to hang out in bars or restaurants, infect their kids, then send their kids into school sick, and that accounts for all of the covid numbers.

I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

If MCPS had just gone virtual for two weeks, the pandemic would be over in Maryland. Maybe the world.

lmao I assume this is sarcastic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

Maybe we should ask patients if they sent their kids to in person school and deny them care. You are sick. In person education is not the reason for people in the hospital.

Unmasked kids eating in lunchrooms is never an issue.

The MCPS narrative is that all parents ditch their kids to hang out in bars or restaurants, infect their kids, then send their kids into school sick, and that accounts for all of the covid numbers.

I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

If MCPS had just gone virtual for two weeks, the pandemic would be over in Maryland. Maybe the world.

Oh God take me back to 2020 in March when somehow two weeks was going to solve anything

[Anonymous]

Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Actually, they are starting to pull their kids. It takes a while in MoCo to save enough money to be able for one spouse to quit their job and stay home to homeschool. The in person screamers are winning right now, so there will be kids pulled out when we can afford to do so. All optional spending has been stopped since we realized that MCPS won't go virtual during an outbreak. We weren't prepared this time, but next time we will be.

[Anonymous]

The weekly average now, according to the Times, is about 2100 American deaths per day.

When I said it was mostly frontline workers dying before, I wasn't referring to healthcare workers--not just healthcare workers. I was referring to everyone who doesn't have a choice about going to work, and who has to work in unsafe environments. Most of you have more choices. The irony of a pack of UMC K-street types who work from home demanding that their servant class show up and cater to their every need even when it puts their families at risk... Well, it's remarkable.

And I think the counterargument, "it's mostly just old people in nursing homes dying," is not the win you think it can be.

I get that you're okay with eugenics. That seems obvious. Many of us are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The weekly average now, according to the Times, is about 2100 American deaths per day.

When I said it was mostly frontline workers dying before, I wasn't referring to healthcare workers--not just healthcare workers. I was referring to everyone who doesn't have a choice about going to work, and who has to work in unsafe environments. Most of you have more choices. The irony of a pack of UMC K-street types who work from home demanding that their servant class show up and cater to their every need even when it puts their families at risk... Well, it's remarkable.

And I think the counterargument, "it's mostly just old people in nursing homes dying," is not the win you think it can be.

I get that you're okay with eugenics. That seems obvious. Many of us are not.

This post sounds like a bunch of whining with no solutions. Perfect message board content I suppose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

Yeah and most of the public want their kids in school. You are welcome to vote with your feet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.