Now we know where Hogan stands

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I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

How are they getting infected? Probably from all the other things they do outside of school. If schools are as dangerous as you say, why hasn’t every single student in MCPS tested positive for COVID this past month? I’ll wait.

Every single student won't test positive - at least I hope not, unless MCPS does something really stupid such as not requiring masks at school. Either way your point makes no sense.

Why didn't every single child get sick last year and the year before? They were virtual. The children only were infected if their parents infected them or they came into contact from playgrounds, etc. The Alpha and Delta strains didn't affect children as much.

Why was there a much bigger 400% spike this year than last year and the year before? The Omicron variant was much more transmissible than Delta, affected Children more than Alpha and Delta, and the children were in-person and without masks eating in school lunchrooms or catching it over the Winter Break with families. The children had far more opportunity to intermingle with many children.

If you want to claim Omicron isn't dangerous, there were 6 deaths / day on a seven-day-average in Mongtomery County with 517 new cases yesterday. The good news is that the spike is dropping, but we're not through the winter yet.

But is that your claim? There is no child-to-child transmission in lunchrooms? There never is transmission in schools and it's all the fault of parents? That's pretty insulting.

Hardly. My “claim” is that the transmission that occurs within school settings (cost) is well worth in-person school (benefit). You’re reading so much into my post, it’s kind of frightening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

How are they getting infected? Probably from all the other things they do outside of school. If schools are as dangerous as you say, why hasn’t every single student in MCPS tested positive for COVID this past month? I’ll wait.

Every single student won't test positive - at least I hope not, unless MCPS does something really stupid such as not requiring masks at school. Either way your point makes no sense.

Why didn't every single child get sick last year and the year before? They were virtual. The children only were infected if their parents infected them or they came into contact from playgrounds, etc. The Alpha and Delta strains didn't affect children as much.

Why was there a much bigger 400% spike this year than last year and the year before? The Omicron variant was much more transmissible than Delta, affected Children more than Alpha and Delta, and the children were in-person and without masks eating in school lunchrooms or catching it over the Winter Break with families. The children had far more opportunity to intermingle with many children.

If you want to claim Omicron isn't dangerous, there were 6 deaths / day on a seven-day-average in Mongtomery County with 517 new cases yesterday. The good news is that the spike is dropping, but we're not through the winter yet.

But is that your claim? There is no child-to-child transmission in lunchrooms? There never is transmission in schools and it's all the fault of parents? That's pretty insulting.

Hardly. My “claim” is that the transmission that occurs within school settings (cost) is well worth in-person school (benefit). You’re reading so much into my post, it’s kind of frightening.

My "cost" is the long-term effect of repeated covid infections on children's lungs, risk of health care losing even more seasoned medical professionals, the loss of teachers who quit the profession due to inflexible policies, the loss of life in the elderly or immunocompromised (both elderly and children), versus the "benefit" of providing daycare for parents?

It's kind of frightening that you don't consider these "cost" factors an issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

How are they getting infected? Probably from all the other things they do outside of school. If schools are as dangerous as you say, why hasn’t every single student in MCPS tested positive for COVID this past month? I’ll wait.

Every single student won't test positive - at least I hope not, unless MCPS does something really stupid such as not requiring masks at school. Either way your point makes no sense.

Why didn't every single child get sick last year and the year before? They were virtual. The children only were infected if their parents infected them or they came into contact from playgrounds, etc. The Alpha and Delta strains didn't affect children as much.

Why was there a much bigger 400% spike this year than last year and the year before? The Omicron variant was much more transmissible than Delta, affected Children more than Alpha and Delta, and the children were in-person and without masks eating in school lunchrooms or catching it over the Winter Break with families. The children had far more opportunity to intermingle with many children.

If you want to claim Omicron isn't dangerous, there were 6 deaths / day on a seven-day-average in Mongtomery County with 517 new cases yesterday. The good news is that the spike is dropping, but we're not through the winter yet.

But is that your claim? There is no child-to-child transmission in lunchrooms? There never is transmission in schools and it's all the fault of parents? That's pretty insulting.

Hardly. My “claim” is that the transmission that occurs within school settings (cost) is well worth in-person school (benefit). You’re reading so much into my post, it’s kind of frightening.

I don't think its worth the cost at all, especially if you get really sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An anti-mask mom threatened to bring a loaded gun during a Virginia school board meeting, saying 'see you all on Monday'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/parent-opposed-mask-mandates-threatened-182520778.html


I don't think having a leader catering to people like this is "fortunate"

Last I checked, Hogan was gov of MD, not VA. Maybe you are in the wrong school forum?

Oh yes. I forgot. Maryland and Montgomery County in particular is a magical land where no crazy Republican's live. We have mystic anti-cra-cra barriers on the boundaries of 485 and 270 to ensure such a thing does not exist here. My bad.

Your poor grammar reveals how little you value education, and how much you would benefit from it.

You also profoundly misread the current political climate. Even very liberal parents like myself are horrified by the closure of schools for so long, and the last thing we want to see is a repeat of this. I am even willing to vote Republican if necessary to see the schools remain open, something I never thought I would say.

The fact is that omicron poses close to zero risk for children, and is not much worse than the flu for everyone else. Closing schools while everything else remains open would be criminally stupid.

I think the more ^^PP crazy liberals push their extreme agenda, the more they push many liberals away. Dems are splintering, like we saw in VA.

That's a great strategy extremist liberals are using.... for the opposing team. IMO, the reason why extremist liberals will never win on a large scale is that they are too pollyanna and not grounded in reality. Whether it's high anxiety fear or "everyone hug it out", they are living in lalaland, as much as Trumpsters are living in their alternate reality world.

You are right. I’m another person who has never voted for a Republican in my life, and I’m more open minded now given this craziness.

[Anonymous]

I will keep voting liberal and keep advocating for schools to stay open.

I think the views on closing school are based more on untreated anxiety and paranoia than political views at this point.

[Anonymous]

Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

About 2100 Americans are dying each day. From covid.

This issue is more of a concern to me than than it is to you, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will keep voting liberal and keep advocating for schools to stay open.

I think the views on closing school are based more on untreated anxiety and paranoia than political views at this point.

^and virtue signaling

[Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/alexjgoldstein/status/1485318171041095691?s=19

The drumbeat sound of the reopening anti-maskers is loud and maddening. They work things into their arguments deliberately, falsehoods like, "schools don't transit COVID." They do this on purpose. They do this because their real purpose is to destroy American institutions like public schools. They will be pivoting more and more to denounce masks next--as they are already in Virginia. They are organized, they are paid, and they are the scum of the earth.

Do not let them win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

About 2100 Americans are dying each day. From covid.

This issue is more of a concern to me than than it is to you, obviously.

NP. I’m concerned, but I’m less concerned than you because I’m aware of the proportion of vaccinated/boosted to unvaccinated among that number. For my own family, and even in our highly-vaccinated community, the risks/rewards are very different than in the overall US.

I’m still trying like hell not to bring Covid into my house, because I realize there are long-term effects that can be more serious than the short-term ones; but I also try to stay informed about the details contained within all those scary-looking graphs and dire-sounding numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/alexjgoldstein/status/1485318171041095691?s=19

The drumbeat sound of the reopening anti-maskers is loud and maddening. They work things into their arguments deliberately, falsehoods like, "schools don't transit COVID." They do this on purpose. They do this because their real purpose is to destroy American institutions like public schools. They will be pivoting more and more to denounce masks next--as they are already in Virginia. They are organized, they are paid, and they are the scum of the earth.

Do not let them win.

Not at all. Quit it with the misinformation.

We want to open schools because we recognize how important schools are. If we wanted to destroy public schools, we’d advocate for more closures!

And nobody is ‘anti-mask’. We want mask choice. Virginia is not banning masks. Virginia gives parents the CHOICE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

About 2100 Americans are dying each day. From covid.

This issue is more of a concern to me than than it is to you, obviously.

DP

The PP specifically mentioned kids. Please post the stats where thousands of kids are dying from Covid.

Thankfully, you can’t, because that hasn’t been the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

About 2100 Americans are dying each day. From covid.

This issue is more of a concern to me than than it is to you, obviously.

NP. I’m concerned, but I’m less concerned than you because I’m aware of the proportion of vaccinated/boosted to unvaccinated among that number. For my own family, and even in our highly-vaccinated community, the risks/rewards are very different than in the overall US.

I’m still trying like hell not to bring Covid into my house, because I realize there are long-term effects that can be more serious than the short-term ones; but I also try to stay informed about the details contained within all those scary-looking graphs and dire-sounding numbers.

That's why we all get vaccinated.

That doesn't mean we lose our compassion for those who have been misled, or for the shockingly large number of people who die who *are* vaccinated, just also immunocompromised. You may find comfort in the fact that your family is safe: I do not find comfort in a world where people are only encouraged to think of their own families, and where we accept the deaths of strangers--usually poor and infirm strangers--so that Larlo can have indoor sports practice and you can go to pilates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you hearing of kids dying? In your kids' schools?
Or being severely ill? How come I am not hearing this news?

About 2100 Americans are dying each day. From covid.

This issue is more of a concern to me than than it is to you, obviously.

DP

The PP specifically mentioned kids. Please post the stats where thousands of kids are dying from Covid.

Thankfully, you can’t, because that hasn’t been the case.

I know that you are a paid troll, so your job is to deliberately mislead and conflate facts? But the issue with Covid and children's health has always been more about the long-term effects, the ones we are still uncovering. The issue with covid and schools is more about community spread, and spread to the families of children who are in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/alexjgoldstein/status/1485318171041095691?s=19

The drumbeat sound of the reopening anti-maskers is loud and maddening. They work things into their arguments deliberately, falsehoods like, "schools don't transit COVID." They do this on purpose. They do this because their real purpose is to destroy American institutions like public schools. They will be pivoting more and more to denounce masks next--as they are already in Virginia. They are organized, they are paid, and they are the scum of the earth.

Do not let them win.

Not at all. Quit it with the misinformation.

We want to open schools because we recognize how important schools are. If we wanted to destroy public schools, we’d advocate for more closures!

And nobody is ‘anti-mask’. We want mask choice. Virginia is not banning masks. Virginia gives parents the CHOICE.

Look at you like a good little troll, trying to float the balloon that masking is a "choice!"

I mean, most men would be ashamed to be sackless shills for anti-American interests? But you stand up and own it, pasting those regurgitated arguments like the obedient, groveling little worker bee you are! Good for you!