Now we know where Hogan stands

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny, Anne Arundel and PG have been able to go virtual, but MCPS have not.

I already know two 50+ vaxxed adults who have caught Covid from their their vaxxed teenagers in MCPS just since the beginning of school. Fortunately, they seem ok, but we will see who ends up with long Covid and who doesn't.

People want to forget if their kids get covid, they can bring it home to them.

MCPS promised they will stay open. They are following their promise.

The promise they made to mollify a small group of screamers, not most of the MCPS parents.

What percentage of MCPS kids have been in schools since the start of 2022? What percentage of kids not present were out voluntarily?

The overwhelming majority of MCPS parents are sending their kids to school, in person, despite any reservations they may or may not have. If “most of the MCPS parents” are so opposed to in person education, why do they still send their kids in?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad we a Republican governor to moderate the crazy school closers in Montgomery County.

-A Democrat

+1 million

This is why we need balance in government. All Dems or all Republican is a recipe for disaster. Our founding fathers understood this.

Thank goodness we have Hogan.

-An Independent (who used to be a Democrat, but no more)

+1

Virtual learning is only instruction when there is an engaged adult with the student who can help instruct and manage the virtual lessons. It does not work for elementary and middle school kids when there is no in-person support. Virtual learning for special needs kids is beyond pointless.

I can give a specific recipe on a video and even bake the cake at my own house. It doesn’t mean the child can watch it and learn how to bake their own cake without support. Someone needs to help turn the oven on, plug in the mixer and wash the dishes. Did you provide instruction on how to bake a cake? Yes. Was it effective with a child learning how to bake a cake? That depends on whether a parent is home with the child. If I have to be home and engaged to support the instruction, I’m homeschooling and teaching how to make lasagna because I hate cake .

Hogan has never wavered. He’s not moving the goal posts like the teachers Union has continued to do through the entire pandemic.
180 in-person days.

I do jot understand why we are still having this conversation. Covid is not going anywhere. Virtual instruction is ineffective and not shown to lower the spread of covid. Nothing is closed because of omicron.

Exactly. Everything else has remained open. I can go to bars and restaurants and beauty salons. Anything and everything. Yet some people want to shut down schools?? Still?! Ridiculous.

Yeah. Bars and restaurants and beauty salons are still open. And since most of the people dying on the Frontline workers who work in them, who are faceless and endlessly replaceable, you don't care.

Again, the chutzpah of the Moco people and the governor saying they are keeping things open for the disadvantaged is just staggering to me. No. We are sending people into their crappy jobs to get sick, get permanently disabled, rack of unpayable medical bills, and die.

This is the kind of stupid thing you can say on a message board and get to walk away. Who is sending them? Who would pay for them to interminably stay home? Covid will continue circulating in every part of the non-Maryland world regardless...so why wouldn't everybody quit, interminably stay home, and get paid? What's your actual plan beyond making stupid posts?

Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open.

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

The main question here is what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open.

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

The main question here is what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.

And, what gives YOU the right to keep my kid at home?

You have had the option of Virtual and still have that option. The rest of us want the option of in-person school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open.

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

The main question here is what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.

And, what gives YOU the right to keep my kid at home?

You have had the option of Virtual and still have that option. The rest of us want the option of in-person school.

This debate has shifted, for sure. Initially, it was a PANDEMIC keeping children in virtual school, not any decisions by those responsible for education. Now, schools are open, but the PANDEMIC does not seem to be going away. A person's "right" to not encounter any risk due to the pandemic does not trump all other concerns, including the need for in-person education, and yes, even the need for consistent school attendance for a variety of reasons, including a place for children to go while parents work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Where is the evidence that most of the people dying are frontline workers? According to CDC data, 75 percent of the deaths are ages 65+, and 25 percent are ages 85+. Data from individual states suggests that about half of deaths are linked to nursing homes. This is not exactly the working age population. We should take care to prevent deaths, but this is why people have stopped listening to your side. You just hysterically spew false information. The threads on this board just keep getting more and more desperate as you realize you have lost in the court of science and public opinion.

DP. I don't think most of the people dying are frontline workers. I think that a few have died, and the people who knew or worked alongside them make choices whether or not to remain in the profession. As this turnover increases and becomes more commonplace, both the quality (in terms of experience and capability) and number of staff lessens.

Since it takes over 10 to 14 years to train a Doctor, or 16 mos to 4 years for a Nurse, (and that's if you're fine having someone without a lot of experience and just out of school treating you?), every seasoned health care professional that decides to retire early or take a new position that does not deal with patients is a loss that cannot be easily replaced.

I just hope you remember that if you're ever admitted into an ER?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open.

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

The main question here is what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.

And, what gives YOU the right to keep my kid at home?

You have had the option of Virtual and still have that option. The rest of us want the option of in-person school.

Again, you shifted the narrative to all-or-nothing. See the part in bold above. Now, try to argue the actual point made - and truthfully, please.

What gives YOU the right to force MY child to be in-person?

[Anonymous]

Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

Yet again you change the narrative.

The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

Never argued that your family shouldn't have a right to keep your child in-person if you want to.

My question was always why YOU are trying to force MY child in-person?

[Anonymous]

And btw - no one said close the school, just to offer temporary virtual during covid flare ups with an option for parents to remain in-person.

This gives flexibility and reduces the likelihood of spread when in-person since the kids are most likely catching it when they unmask in the lunchroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

Yet again you change the narrative.

The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

Never argued that your family shouldn't have a right to keep your child in-person if you want to.

My question was always why YOU are trying to force MY child in-person?

No. You always had the option to apply to Virtual Academy. You chose to send your kid in person, knowing that COVID was still an issue. You don’t want to accept your own responsibility for your choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

Yet again you change the narrative.

The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

Never argued that your family shouldn't have a right to keep your child in-person if you want to.

My question was always why YOU are trying to force MY child in-person?

No. You always had the option to apply to Virtual Academy. You chose to send your kid in person, knowing that COVID was still an issue. You don’t want to accept your own responsibility for your choices.

So you admit it. You don't care at all about the health and safety of children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid can do virtual or homeschool or whatever the hell you want. You are the one trying to close our schools. We are not trying to stop you from doing what you want.

Yet again you change the narrative.

The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

Never argued that your family shouldn't have a right to keep your child in-person if you want to.

My question was always why YOU are trying to force MY child in-person?

Why? I don’t see it this way at all. So MCPS families have to endure shutdowns while the rest of the country is open? No.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny, Anne Arundel and PG have been able to go virtual, but MCPS have not.

I already know two 50+ vaxxed adults who have caught Covid from their their vaxxed teenagers in MCPS just since the beginning of school. Fortunately, they seem ok, but we will see who ends up with long Covid and who doesn't.

People want to forget if their kids get covid, they can bring it home to them.

MCPS promised they will stay open. They are following their promise.

First, stop spreading misinformation. AA did not go virtual. They switch a very small number of schools to virtual similar to what MCPS did.

Second, what exactly did PG gain from two weeks of virtual? There is not a shred of evidence of any impact other than lost in person days, disruption to work, and some teachers not having to figure out how to adapt to staffing issues.

DP - According to the Maryland State dashboard, there were 889 new covid cases in the past 24 hours and 65 people died in Maryland in the past 24 hours.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/covid19/data/

According to the New York Times dashboard, Montgomery County alone had 88 deaths in the past two weeks. Remember that when someone dies, that frees up an ICU or hospital bed.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/montgomery-maryland-covid-cases.html

How many died in Montgomery County in the past 24 hours, and why did I use the NYT data for Montgomery County deaths? The Maryland dashboard only breaks the data down by zip code which makes it difficult for anyone to analyze the data. Why would the State do that? My guess is that it's to let ignorant people shoot of their mouths and think there is no issue where they live (and it's working!).

You are sick and just because someone dies, that does not necessarily mean they were in ICU.

Exactly. 88 died in MC these past two weeks. Pay your respects to those families, then make your comments.

It is wrong to attribute those deaths to schools being open. There is no evidence that if schools were virtual the numbers would be any different. It’s called the counter factual. It’s basic science which you apparently do not understand.

And what kind of clown edits out someone else's post? I bolded the part to help remind you.

American parents cherish their children and will do anything to protect them. Normally parents will oppose policies that threaten the health and safety of children.

To counter parental instincts to protect their children, there is a technique used to desensitize people so they believe extreme measures (ex. violence, death, etc.) are socially acceptable. If you want real-world examples, just look no further to modern-day North Korea and Russia.

"At the time of the (Chernobyl Nuclear) accident, Ukraine was a Soviet republic, and initially, the Soviet authorities tried to cover up the disaster. To avoid raising suspicions, they went ahead a few days later with May Day parades in Ukraine, marching schoolchildren through swirling radioactive dust. This callous attitude helped stir anti-Soviet sentiment throughout Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, the republics most affected, and the accident is now seen as one cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union five years later."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-chernobyl-during-invasion-why-162127015.html

"As the world enters a third year of the global Covid-19 pandemic, North Korea claims to remain free of the coronavirus because of its strict border closures and travel restrictions that have reportedly worsened food shortages. As the reclusive state rang in the new year, supreme leader Kim Jong-un called on North Koreans to do their part to combat the virus despite economic hardships and state television ran video of children dressed up as bottles of hand sanitizer."
https://www.scmp.com/video/asia/3161908/north-korea-fights-covid-19-dancing-hand-sanitiser-kids-and-economy-crushing

As we all know, hand sanitizers do squat for an airborne virus. Similarly, as we all know, when you unmask in a crowded school lunchroom, covid-infected individuals can infect others.

Edit someone else's posts all you want - but it won't change facts.

You know absolutely nothing is stopping you from pulling your children out of school in homeschooling them if that's what you think is better. There are lots of online programs you can use if you're really homesick for virtual learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I voted for Elrich, I phone banked for dems in 2018, Im a bleed blue progressive. Larry Hogan is looking real good for having kept MCPS from falling into an indefinite virtual hole and I wish he’d do more for quarantine-happy daycares.

Frankly I know a lot of parents who would vote for nazis right now if they could keep daycares and schools open.

That is my fear - that you are correct.

But you're also pushing a false story line. No one is arguing that schools SHOULD NOT be in-person. Every parent does want normalcy and in-person learning. The argument is that LIMITED DURATION / TEMPORARY virtual learning should be enabled during covid flareups and for those without resources or recourse, some type of in-person option is available (provided they're not infected).

The main question here is what gives YOU the right to dictate MY CHILD must be exposed to covid?

Agree there are parents WITH covid or WITH infected children that still want or need to go to work and spread it to others. For them, that is who the Federal and/or State Government SHOULD have offered stimulus checks to (or at least provided rent coverage, food delivery, daycare for children when adults become sick, health check-on's for infected individuals, etc.). Did this happen?

Politicians and decision-makers throughout the county are trying to paint over the problems and wishing that this is a short-term problem. The gamble is that if they hold out long enough, all of this will just go away. And it might. One possibility is that past March this will all go away, if historical models hold true. However, there is a difference between now and then. The world is much more interconnected now. Just as there are ripples in a small pond, a large lake has much richer dynamics. We have to remember there is no such thing as a localized covid issue. As long as there are pockets in the world of unvaccinated immunocompromised individuals, there is the possibility of variants re-emerging.

I really hope that covid will be over by March, but my analytical side says the math is stacked against it. We can choose to make deliberate, methodical and measured plans; or keep shooting from the hip with our head in the sand. In the mean time, as parents see their children endure infection after infection, they too will become desensitized and stop caring what happens to their own children, and drag down my children with them.

And, what gives YOU the right to keep my kid at home?

You have had the option of Virtual and still have that option. The rest of us want the option of in-person school.

Again, you shifted the narrative to all-or-nothing. See the part in bold above. Now, try to argue the actual point made - and truthfully, please.

What gives YOU the right to force MY child to be in-person?

School is open for the people who wish to attend. You can absolutely pull your child out and homeschool them