Now we know where Hogan stands

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Anonymous wrote:The weekly average now, according to the Times, is about 2100 American deaths per day.

When I said it was mostly frontline workers dying before, I wasn't referring to healthcare workers--not just healthcare workers. I was referring to everyone who doesn't have a choice about going to work, and who has to work in unsafe environments. Most of you have more choices. The irony of a pack of UMC K-street types who work from home demanding that their servant class show up and cater to their every need even when it puts their families at risk... Well, it's remarkable.

And I think the counterargument, "it's mostly just old people in nursing homes dying," is not the win you think it can be.

I get that you're okay with eugenics. That seems obvious. Many of us are not.

Vaccines virtually eliminate the risk of death. Schools are not going to close to appease those who demand absolute 0 risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

LOL—ahhhh, you’re right. My apologies, PP. Blame it on a long day. Sigh.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

LOL—ahhhh, you’re right. My apologies, PP. Blame it on a long day. Sigh.

A “sociopath” has little regard for another person's emotions, rights, or experiences. They lack remorse for their actions, and they act in ways that show no regard for others, including lying, cheating, and manipulating.

Do you care if children unmask in the lunchrooms and spread covid to their peers or families? Just asking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The weekly average now, according to the Times, is about 2100 American deaths per day.

When I said it was mostly frontline workers dying before, I wasn't referring to healthcare workers--not just healthcare workers. I was referring to everyone who doesn't have a choice about going to work, and who has to work in unsafe environments. Most of you have more choices. The irony of a pack of UMC K-street types who work from home demanding that their servant class show up and cater to their every need even when it puts their families at risk... Well, it's remarkable.

And I think the counterargument, "it's mostly just old people in nursing homes dying," is not the win you think it can be.

I get that you're okay with eugenics. That seems obvious. Many of us are not.

Vaccines virtually eliminate the risk of death. Schools are not going to close to appease those who demand absolute 0 risk.

I don't want schools to close.

But what I don't want more is schools to limp on, reinfecting students and staff multiple times with what should be a preventable virus. This isn't about death. This is about containment.

I don't want people to be forced to work in conditions that endanger their health.

I am putting my faith in masks and sending my kids to school. They eat outside. It's far from perfect. It's even farther from perfect because so many of you don't understand that you have an obligation to protect other people.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

LOL—ahhhh, you’re right. My apologies, PP. Blame it on a long day. Sigh.

A “sociopath” has little regard for another person's emotions, rights, or experiences. They lack remorse for their actions, and they act in ways that show no regard for others, including lying, cheating, and manipulating.

Do you care if children unmask in the lunchrooms and spread covid to their peers or families? Just asking.

Oh, honey. Please don't throw around terms you don't understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

LOL—ahhhh, you’re right. My apologies, PP. Blame it on a long day. Sigh.

A “sociopath” has little regard for another person's emotions, rights, or experiences. They lack remorse for their actions, and they act in ways that show no regard for others, including lying, cheating, and manipulating.

Do you care if children unmask in the lunchrooms and spread covid to their peers or families? Just asking.

All the kids eating lunch are "sociopaths"?

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Anonymous wrote:Again I don't understand why the virtual crowd doesn't just want to pull their kids out of school and homeschool. The screaming yell about how in person learning parents are lazy and yet they don't want to take that one step to do it themselves either. 🙃

Because Public schools are just that - they're not the sole property of a handful of fanatics?

That was the pp’s point. Why are a handful of fanatics trying to close schools when they have other options for their own kids? It seems strange to focus on trying to make things worse for others rather than focusing on themselves.

They are virtue signaling. Sending your kids to in person is the 2022 moral equivalent of going to large gatherings for these people.

Um. WHAT? That makes no sense.

This truth may be hard for you to believe, but there are many of us out there who send our vaccinated kids to school, in high quality masks, and don’t engage in random high risk activities like going to bars or crowded indoor parties. We just… believe in school and in science. If you think in-person school is a fanatical position, you’ve lost touch with reality.

I think you misread PP. You guys are in agreement.

LOL—ahhhh, you’re right. My apologies, PP. Blame it on a long day. Sigh.

A “sociopath” has little regard for another person's emotions, rights, or experiences. They lack remorse for their actions, and they act in ways that show no regard for others, including lying, cheating, and manipulating.

Do you care if children unmask in the lunchrooms and spread covid to their peers or families? Just asking.

All the kids eating lunch are "sociopaths"?

I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

[Anonymous]

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We always knew where he stood, OP. Haven't you been paying attention? It's all about where he goes next, and he needs to prove that he "bravely prevented schools from closing", without closing businesses or anything else.

Result? Patients suffering because their surgeries have been canceled, hospitals under considerable strain, healthcare workers with PTSD, families scrambling with quarantines and no continuity of learning.

He's a political hack and nothing else. No respect for this guy.

10 days of virtual learning will not solve those problems. I agree with Hogan and MCPS and the majority of MCPS stakeholders on this one.

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I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

[Anonymous]

Lots of terrible parents on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad we a Republican governor to moderate the crazy school closers in Montgomery County.

-A Democrat

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Independent, and liberal spouse who agrees

Amen 1, amen 2. I am a liberal, want free health care for all, and enough is enough.

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I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

How are they getting infected? Probably from all the other things they do outside of school. If schools are as dangerous as you say, why hasn’t every single student in MCPS tested positive for COVID this past month? I’ll wait.

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I think the PP was trying to claim that I'm a sociopath for... believing in science? I'm not sure. S/he clearly doesn't understand sociopathy/psychopathy.

Really, though, in the context of a county as highly vaccinated as MoCo, and taking into account ALL the trade-offs in the cost-benefit analysis of schools being in-person (not solely COVID), yes, I'm completely comfortable with children taking off their masks to eat lunch. Why wouldn't I be? (again, science, and all that)

Of course the kids aren't the sociopaths - it's the adults telling them it's okay to remove masks and there is no risk that are.

How do you think these kids are getting infected if they're masked all day long? You claim you follow science and took into account all the trade-offs a cost-benefit analysis?

Okay. Show us.

How are they getting infected? Probably from all the other things they do outside of school. If schools are as dangerous as you say, why hasn’t every single student in MCPS tested positive for COVID this past month? I’ll wait.

Every single student won't test positive - at least I hope not, unless MCPS does something really stupid such as not requiring masks at school. Either way your point makes no sense.

Why didn't every single child get sick last year and the year before? They were virtual. The children only were infected if their parents infected them or they came into contact from playgrounds, etc. The Alpha and Delta strains didn't affect children as much.

Why was there a much bigger 400% spike this year than last year and the year before? The Omicron variant was much more transmissible than Delta, affected Children more than Alpha and Delta, and the children were in-person and without masks eating in school lunchrooms or catching it over the Winter Break with families. The children had far more opportunity to intermingle with many children.

If you want to claim Omicron isn't dangerous, there were 6 deaths / day on a seven-day-average in Mongtomery County with 517 new cases yesterday. The good news is that the spike is dropping, but we're not through the winter yet.

But is that your claim? There is no child-to-child transmission in lunchrooms? There never is transmission in schools and it's all the fault of parents? That's pretty insulting.