What schools do you think are on the rise (ranking/reputation)

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Anonymous wrote:Yale is now perceived as frivolous in many academic circles - a once respected mainstream institution that has gone overboard in catering to those who, all evidence to the contrary, define themselves as oppressed.

I thought you were describing Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

What matters is actually relatively objectively measured by the society and in the market, and it's well reflected in the salary.
The ones who pay for the outcome of the education would objectively evaluate and are willing to pay you that much.

Starting median salaries by the data from the Department of the Education: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Yale history - $47,260
Yale psychology - $38,289
Yale Ethics etc - $35,060
Yale Political Science - $4,8823
Yale English/Literature - $47,260

Illinois Urbana Computer engineering - $84,100
Northeastern computer science - $89,413
Carengie mellon Statistics - $88,506
Georgia Tech - computer science - $91,152

Your little head and imagination doesn't dictate what's valuable and what matters.

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

What matters is actually relatively objectively measured by the society and in the market, and it's well reflected in the salary.
The ones who pay for the outcome of the education would objectively evaluate and are willing to pay you that much.

Starting median salaries by the data from the Department of the Education: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Yale history - $47,260
Yale psychology - $38,289
Yale Ethics etc - $35,060
Yale Political Science - $4,8823
Yale English/Literature - $47,260

Illinois Urbana Computer engineering - $84,100
Northeastern computer science - $89,413
Carengie mellon Statistics - $88,506
Georgia Tech - computer science - $91,152

Your little head and imagination doesn't dictate what's valuable and what matters.

Really?! Is this your argument? Salaries show how much a society values a set of skills, in this case skills immediately out of college. Sure, tech salaries are higher than humanities salaries, because the education is TOTALLY different. Tech degrees are professional studies, humanities degrees are not. Notice that your tech salaries are hardly differentiated, yet the graduates come from different schools. So, are you ready to say. CMU = NEU? What your analysis neglects is perspective. Many Yale graduates who major in the humanities later attend a top-tier law school, join Big Law, and make $500-$1000k. Also, many Carnegie Mellon students become standouts in their field and eventually make multiples of what other CS graduates make.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice. If it did not have the TX in its address, it would be really high up.

Rice has always been a phenomenal school which attracts the best and brightest from around the world due to its low tuition. Those in the DC bubble can keep their tunnel vision.

+1 it is always funny when people are all "but it's in the south!" "but it's in Texas!" it just shows that they aren't paying attention and/or don't know what they are talking about. inter-state migration patterns show that the northeast states are LOSING people (NJ, NY, IL, CT, and CA are the top losers) and the southern states & Texas are growing like wildfire.

Thank you. Add DC to the list of top population losers. The economic center of gravity in this country is shifting to the South and Mountain West.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

Yale is lacking in Everything STEM, and the law market has declined.

If you care about starting salaries, at least in Computer Science, Yale grads are making more than MIT grads. This data checks out against college websites. https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-by-majors/computer-science

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

What matters is actually relatively objectively measured by the society and in the market, and it's well reflected in the salary.
The ones who pay for the outcome of the education would objectively evaluate and are willing to pay you that much.

Starting median salaries by the data from the Department of the Education: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Yale history - $47,260
Yale psychology - $38,289
Yale Ethics etc - $35,060
Yale Political Science - $4,8823
Yale English/Literature - $47,260

Illinois Urbana Computer engineering - $84,100
Northeastern computer science - $89,413
Carengie mellon Statistics - $88,506
Georgia Tech - computer science - $91,152

Your little head and imagination doesn't dictate what's valuable and what matters.

Really?! Is this your argument? Salaries show how much a society values a set of skills, in this case skills immediately out of college. Sure, tech salaries are higher than humanities salaries, because the education is TOTALLY different. Tech degrees are professional studies, humanities degrees are not. Notice that your tech salaries are hardly differentiated, yet the graduates come from different schools. So, are you ready to say. CMU = NEU? What your analysis neglects is perspective. Many Yale graduates who major in the humanities later attend a top-tier law school, join Big Law, and make $500-$1000k. Also, many Carnegie Mellon students become standouts in their field and eventually make multiples of what other CS graduates make.

Yale Law degree is very valuable.  Yale history is not.  Not much correlation there.
Carnegie CS is more valuable than NEU CS, hence $160,116  
I put Carnegie statistics there to give you more flavors of STEM.

Carnegie CS > NEU CS = Carnegie Statistics > Yale liberal arts
Happy?

STEM degrees are Bachelor's degrees, not professional degrees.
Law degree you mentioned is actually a professional degree.
Stop making stuff up or are that much clueless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

What matters is actually relatively objectively measured by the society and in the market, and it's well reflected in the salary.
The ones who pay for the outcome of the education would objectively evaluate and are willing to pay you that much.

Starting median salaries by the data from the Department of the Education: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Yale history - $47,260
Yale psychology - $38,289
Yale Ethics etc - $35,060
Yale Political Science - $4,8823
Yale English/Literature - $47,260

Illinois Urbana Computer engineering - $84,100
Northeastern computer science - $89,413
Carengie mellon Statistics - $88,506
Georgia Tech - computer science - $91,152

Your little head and imagination doesn't dictate what's valuable and what matters.

Really?! Is this your argument? Salaries show how much a society values a set of skills, in this case skills immediately out of college. Sure, tech salaries are higher than humanities salaries, because the education is TOTALLY different. Tech degrees are professional studies, humanities degrees are not. Notice that your tech salaries are hardly differentiated, yet the graduates come from different schools. So, are you ready to say. CMU = NEU? What your analysis neglects is perspective. Many Yale graduates who major in the humanities later attend a top-tier law school, join Big Law, and make $500-$1000k. Also, many Carnegie Mellon students become standouts in their field and eventually make multiples of what other CS graduates make.

Yale Law churns out law clerks who turn into law professors, government lawyers, and non-profit attorneys, and not as many Big Law partners as Harvard, Columbia, and NYU.

[Anonymous]

So if you are going to major in liberal arts at Yale, you better damn make sure that you become a laywer.

This is in fact a very good kinds of information that people here need to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if you are going to major in liberal arts at Yale, you better damn make sure that you become a laywer.

This is in fact a very good kinds of information that people here need to know.

well, duh. If your life goal is to make a large salary.

DCUM doesn't seem to understand that this isn't the life goal of many people, even many highly educated people.

Have you ever been up close and personal to an academic community? I have 5 siblings/cousins with elite PhDs. None of them are motivated by money at all.
I work in medicine in a non-lucrative sub-speciality. No one I know from my training program (or frankly in my field) is motivated primarily by money. We had big money
within our grasp (most of us were near the of our classes in our respective medical schools) and we chose not to take it. In fact, many of us didn't even give it a thought.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if you are going to major in liberal arts at Yale, you better damn make sure that you become a laywer.

This is in fact a very good kinds of information that people here need to know.

well, duh. If your life goal is to make a large salary.

DCUM doesn't seem to understand that this isn't the life goal of many people, even many highly educated people.

Have you ever been up close and personal to an academic community? I have 5 siblings/cousins with elite PhDs. None of them are motivated by money at all.
I work in medicine in a non-lucrative sub-speciality. No one I know from my training program (or frankly in my field) is motivated primarily by money. We had big money
within our grasp (most of us were near the of our classes in our respective medical schools) and we chose not to take it. In fact, many of us didn't even give it a thought.

Ok so lawyer or PhD.
We are not even talking about large salary.
Those starting salaires don't look good at all considering the hype of such an elite college degrees.

People, be aware of the facts.

[Anonymous]

The point of an academic degree at a top school may not be money, but the earlier poster brought up salaries as a way to show that tech/STEM was more relevant than humanities. The response that a bigger picture would include a student’s larger vision, like going to law school and maybe Big Law, was just a way of saying, if salaries are the measure, a humanities degree, in the long-run, is valued and can compete. But I agree, first salaries are a poor measure of a school’s academic program.

[Anonymous]

So in summary, if you want to earn more money, enter a higher paying field?

That is some damned brilliant insight there! World changing. Eureka, you have found it!

Now everyone switch your major to brain surgery, quick!

[Anonymous]

Yale’s brand is so robust and still remains incredibly popular as a dream school for many young people. And no, Cornell is not declining, people who took one look at US News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point of an academic degree at a top school may not be money, but the earlier poster brought up salaries as a way to show that tech/STEM was more relevant than humanities. The response that a bigger picture would include a student’s larger vision, like going to law school and maybe Big Law, was just a way of saying, if salaries are the measure, a humanities degree, in the long-run, is valued and can compete. But I agree, first salaries are a poor measure of a school’s academic program.

People brought up law school, and pretend that the majority of the liberal arts graduates from Yale go to law schools, but it's far from the truth.

People don't need vague imaginations and time wasting.

Provide data and source - https://ocs.yale.edu/outcomes/#!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in summary, if you want to earn more money, enter a higher paying field?

That is some damned brilliant insight there! World changing. Eureka, you have found it!

Now everyone switch your major to brain surgery, quick!

Right. For first salaries, field, not school, is the primary factor. However, once you get past first salaries, school frequently matters, all else equal, particularly for more elite opportunities.