What schools do you think are on the rise (ranking/reputation)

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

Yale is lacking in Everything STEM, and the law market has declined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

Yale is lacking in Everything STEM, and the law market has declined.

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STEM is the future
STEM from T10-T30 even T30-T50 is more valuable than some liberal arts from Yale

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

Yale is lacking in Everything STEM, and the law market has declined.

+100
STEM is the future
STEM from T10-T30 even T30-T50 is more valuable than some liberal arts from Yale

The tech bubble will burst eventually like the dot.com bubble and Yale will make a comeback.

[Anonymous]

This is stupid to put schools that are already top schools on a list of schools on the rise. I guess it makes those who post them feel better that they climbed even further in debt I mean in the rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:This is stupid to put schools that are already top schools on a list of schools on the rise. I guess it makes those who post them feel better that they climbed even further in debt I mean in the rankings.

What do you consider a top school?

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The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia, MIT at the highest end. Also: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and, perhaps counterintuitively, Cornell. And among state schools, U Florida.

Ludicrous post listing already elite schools.

It's all relative. These are already blue-chip brands that are becoming better, more burnished. Most of the names being thrown around on this thread aren't schools that are "on the rise", but merely, "Oh, we just happened to learn about them recently and they seem like a good fit for my kid." You have to look at numbers over a concerted period of time; quality of students, teaching, and faculty; research output; and financial resources. In all these metrics, the aforementioned schools are doing excellent and have great positive upward momentum. Others within their tier, not so much.

What are examples of others within their tier that are lacking upward momentum?

The most obvious answer here is probably Dartmouth, but I'm sure there are a couple others. Some might argue Yale, but I'd really, really counter against that.

What is the argument for Yale?

Yale is lacking in Everything STEM, and the law market has declined.

+100
STEM is the future
STEM from T10-T30 even T30-T50 is more valuable than some liberal arts from Yale

The tech bubble will burst eventually like the dot.com bubble and Yale will make a comeback.

Where have you been since the dot com bubble?
In a cave?

[Anonymous]

Yale is now perceived as frivolous in many academic circles - a once respected mainstream institution that has gone overboard in catering to those who, all evidence to the contrary, define themselves as oppressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

[Anonymous]

I think a handful of southern schools will rise in the rankings thanks to an influx in applications allowing them to be more selective. Auburn is a prime example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Exactly, but when someone points out Cornell's decline; everyone's ready to fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a handful of southern schools will rise in the rankings thanks to an influx in applications allowing them to be more selective. Auburn is a prime example.

The major southern schools besides Duke and Rice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Yes. Can we end this thread? It’s the BSers arguing back and forth about irrelevant stuff or stuff they know nothing about. The latest rage is the importance of STEM. Do these donkeys really think that the ranking experts don’t understand the importance of STEM? And, if the ranking organizations do, the importance of STEM is already incorporated into the current rankings. What the donkeys don’t seem to realize is that STEM is NOT everything. In fact, technology mostly allows us to do the same things we’ve done for thousands of years, but more quickly and efficiently. That means that the underlying issues of what makes human life meaningful and sustainable - the essence of a liberal arts education - is still more foundational than STEM. So, yes, Yale still matters (DP than the raging argument between donkeys).

Right. What is Facebook’s existential issue, technology or ethics? It’s ethics. Look, a bunch of bros can build a machine, but it takes really smart, thoughtful, and reflective people to think carefully about how machines should be used.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to the original post is easy to obtain: just compare the USNWR list from 1990 to the present one. What moved up, what went down? Or course, some will snark about USNWR, but from a layperson‘s perspective, it is the most used rankings. And, since OP is asking this on a layperson board, it seems a reasonable resource.

Exactly, but when someone points out Cornell's decline; everyone's ready to fight.

Right. Same for Vanderbilt‘s rise. Whether one likes it or not, these things are objectively true, assuming one accepts the ranking methodology (and we’ve already addressed why we should keep to USNWR’s rankings).