If the county isn't allowed to placed a mask mandate in the classroom

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Noone is suggesting that kids should wear masks in school forever. But how about waiting until this omicron wave is over before sending your kids to school unmasked? What's another few weeks going to matter?

We’ve been hearing this “it’s just 3 weeks” line for 2 years!

CDC director said masks don’t protect.

Let people choice to wear — or not wear— a mask!

It’s not Federal law.

Not accurate account of CDC director statement.
It's Virginia Law.
It's CDC recommendations.
It's over when people stop getting sick and hospitalized at high rates. No one can fully assure when that is of if and when there will be another variant. I'm in support of metrics for assess when or when not we should use different public health measures (e.g., I supported the decision in the summer when numbers were low that masks were not needed among vaccinated people and I support the decision now that they are--because the numbers of cases and hospitalizations are very high).
People don't get to choose whether or not to wear a seatbelt--it's the law because it protects them and protects society from the burden of having to provide them healthcare in accidents. Protective actions that slow transmission of contagious disease are even more understandable.

Really well-stated. Thank you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

I'd be interested how Younkin's orders fly in the face of the FEDERAL disability laws, which apply in schools. Health compromised kids have a right to be protected in public schools. They are not receiving full protection if others are allowed to parade through the halls unmasked, coughing and gagging on their peers. While that also holds true in "normal" times, I admit. A cold is not the same as a various that has mutated at least 3 times in 2 years and killed, over 3 quarters of a million AMericans.

This has been the basis for federal courts upholding mask mandates in FL, TX, TN, etc. So Youngkin’s EO violates state and federal law.

I’m bringing to think he has crappy legal counsel and a weak grasp on government 101.

A quick fact check:

1. The Florida school districts that challenged the state's Executive Order banning school mask mandates lost in court: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580363-judge-tosses-florida-school-districts-lawsuit-over-mask-mandate-ban

2. There were also a series of parent lawsuits (based on disability-related claims) against the Florida Executive Order. Those were dismissed as well (but have been refiled and are still pending).

3. In Texas, a federal district could ruled that the state's ban on school mask mandates violated the ADA, IDEA, and ARPA, but the Fifth Circuit stayed that decision pending appeal. The Fifth Circuit's stay order indicated that the district court's ruling was "likely erroneous." The mask mandate ban therefore remains in effect: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109.94.0.pdf

4. In Tennessee, the state's ban on mask mandates has been enjoined (and therefore cannot be enforced): https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-covid-19-pandemic-tennessee-b53b09cf77976238566115d271a928bf

In other words, the court decisions are mixed on these issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

I'd be interested how Younkin's orders fly in the face of the FEDERAL disability laws, which apply in schools. Health compromised kids have a right to be protected in public schools. They are not receiving full protection if others are allowed to parade through the halls unmasked, coughing and gagging on their peers. While that also holds true in "normal" times, I admit. A cold is not the same as a various that has mutated at least 3 times in 2 years and killed, over 3 quarters of a million AMericans.

This has been the basis for federal courts upholding mask mandates in FL, TX, TN, etc. So Youngkin’s EO violates state and federal law.

I’m bringing to think he has crappy legal counsel and a weak grasp on government 101.

A quick fact check:

1. The Florida school districts that challenged the state's Executive Order banning school mask mandates lost in court: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580363-judge-tosses-florida-school-districts-lawsuit-over-mask-mandate-ban

2. There were also a series of parent lawsuits (based on disability-related claims) against the Florida Executive Order. Those were dismissed as well (but have been refiled and are still pending).

3. In Texas, a federal district could ruled that the state's ban on school mask mandates violated the ADA, IDEA, and ARPA, but the Fifth Circuit stayed that decision pending appeal. The Fifth Circuit's stay order indicated that the district court's ruling was "likely erroneous." The mask mandate ban therefore remains in effect: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109.94.0.pdf

4. In Tennessee, the state's ban on mask mandates has been enjoined (and therefore cannot be enforced): https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-covid-19-pandemic-tennessee-b53b09cf77976238566115d271a928bf

In other words, the court decisions are mixed on these issues.

That all though is, of course, secondary to the VA issue which is focusing on pre-existing VA law vs. VA executive order, not the disability issues which are--as you note--still mixed/in progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A anti-mask mandate parent threatened to bring a loaded gun to a school in Page County because the school is upholding the VA law about mask mandates rather than Youngkin's executive orders. Maybe the anti-maskers want to cool down and wait for the courts to decide whether VA law or governor's executive orders take precedence here? Do you really want to be on the side of people threatening violence at schools?

Um, this parent can just face legal consequences , like the people who claimed racial justice concerns were why they burned down buildings and looted Target in the summertime of 2020 SHOULD all have.

I am for justice, and I know I can be that without smashing in the local eyeglass store.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A anti-mask mandate parent threatened to bring a loaded gun to a school in Page County because the school is upholding the VA law about mask mandates rather than Youngkin's executive orders. Maybe the anti-maskers want to cool down and wait for the courts to decide whether VA law or governor's executive orders take precedence here? Do you really want to be on the side of people threatening violence at schools?

I saw that. People have lost their minds.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-irate-mom-threatening-school-board-guns-over-mask-mandates-1671691?amp=1

+1. Anti-maskers threatening to go full on domestic terrorists and shoot us schools.

Charming. And not at all surprising.

Waiting for them to burn out police stations, kill people protecting small businesses from theft or smash windows and loot the Target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A anti-mask mandate parent threatened to bring a loaded gun to a school in Page County because the school is upholding the VA law about mask mandates rather than Youngkin's executive orders. Maybe the anti-maskers want to cool down and wait for the courts to decide whether VA law or governor's executive orders take precedence here? Do you really want to be on the side of people threatening violence at schools?

Um, this parent can just face legal consequences , like the people who claimed racial justice concerns were why they burned down buildings and looted Target in the summertime of 2020 SHOULD all have.

I am for justice, and I know I can be that without smashing in the local eyeglass store.

Deflection noted. Can we stay on topic about masking in schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

I'd be interested how Younkin's orders fly in the face of the FEDERAL disability laws, which apply in schools. Health compromised kids have a right to be protected in public schools. They are not receiving full protection if others are allowed to parade through the halls unmasked, coughing and gagging on their peers. While that also holds true in "normal" times, I admit. A cold is not the same as a various that has mutated at least 3 times in 2 years and killed, over 3 quarters of a million AMericans.

This has been the basis for federal courts upholding mask mandates in FL, TX, TN, etc. So Youngkin’s EO violates state and federal law.

I’m bringing to think he has crappy legal counsel and a weak grasp on government 101.

A quick fact check:

1. The Florida school districts that challenged the state's Executive Order banning school mask mandates lost in court: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580363-judge-tosses-florida-school-districts-lawsuit-over-mask-mandate-ban

2. There were also a series of parent lawsuits (based on disability-related claims) against the Florida Executive Order. Those were dismissed as well (but have been refiled and are still pending).

3. In Texas, a federal district could ruled that the state's ban on school mask mandates violated the ADA, IDEA, and ARPA, but the Fifth Circuit stayed that decision pending appeal. The Fifth Circuit's stay order indicated that the district court's ruling was "likely erroneous." The mask mandate ban therefore remains in effect: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109/gov.uscourts.txwd.1144109.94.0.pdf

4. In Tennessee, the state's ban on mask mandates has been enjoined (and therefore cannot be enforced): https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-covid-19-pandemic-tennessee-b53b09cf77976238566115d271a928bf

In other words, the court decisions are mixed on these issues.

That all though is, of course, secondary to the VA issue which is focusing on pre-existing VA law vs. VA executive order, not the disability issues which are--as you note--still mixed/in progress.

Can you please explain the conflict here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A anti-mask mandate parent threatened to bring a loaded gun to a school in Page County because the school is upholding the VA law about mask mandates rather than Youngkin's executive orders. Maybe the anti-maskers want to cool down and wait for the courts to decide whether VA law or governor's executive orders take precedence here? Do you really want to be on the side of people threatening violence at schools?

I saw that. People have lost their minds.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-irate-mom-threatening-school-board-guns-over-mask-mandates-1671691?amp=1

+1. Anti-maskers threatening to go full on domestic terrorists and shoot us schools.

Charming. And not at all surprising.

Waiting for them to burn out police stations, kill people protecting small businesses from theft or smash windows and loot the Target.

get a grip. at least keep your comments to schools. no one is talking about burning police stations or looting target... except you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A anti-mask mandate parent threatened to bring a loaded gun to a school in Page County because the school is upholding the VA law about mask mandates rather than Youngkin's executive orders. Maybe the anti-maskers want to cool down and wait for the courts to decide whether VA law or governor's executive orders take precedence here? Do you really want to be on the side of people threatening violence at schools?

Um, this parent can just face legal consequences , like the people who claimed racial justice concerns were why they burned down buildings and looted Target in the summertime of 2020 SHOULD all have.

I am for justice, and I know I can be that without smashing in the local eyeglass store.

Deflection noted. Can we stay on topic about masking in schools?

Even better deflection..look at what THIS hand is doing.....ignore the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

It’s up for debate.

Competing with the executive order is Senate Bill 1303, which is on the books as Virginia law.

That law requires school boards to offer in-person instruction to students and follow CDC recommendations to the maximum extent practicable, which includes wearing masks.

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/attorney-on-youngkin-school-mask-order-virginia/291-e162fefc-d223-4eee-9950-722d92a7b1b6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

It’s up for debate.

Competing with the executive order is Senate Bill 1303, which is on the books as Virginia law.

That law requires school boards to offer in-person instruction to students and follow CDC recommendations to the maximum extent practicable, which includes wearing masks.

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/attorney-on-youngkin-school-mask-order-virginia/291-e162fefc-d223-4eee-9950-722d92a7b1b6

I get the context, but can anyone point to where a CDC order REQUIRES masks in school? Everything I've seen is that the CDC RECOMMENDS masks in schools, so how would there be any conflict between the VA law and the EO is the schools RECOMMEND masks, but leave it up to parents decisions? Am I missing something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

It’s up for debate.

Competing with the executive order is Senate Bill 1303, which is on the books as Virginia law.

That law requires school boards to offer in-person instruction to students and follow CDC recommendations to the maximum extent practicable, which includes wearing masks.

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/attorney-on-youngkin-school-mask-order-virginia/291-e162fefc-d223-4eee-9950-722d92a7b1b6

I get the context, but can anyone point to where a CDC order REQUIRES masks in school? Everything I've seen is that the CDC RECOMMENDS masks in schools, so how would there be any conflict between the VA law and the EO is the schools RECOMMEND masks, but leave it up to parents decisions? Am I missing something?

The view is that state law requires districts to follow those recommendations to the greatest extent practicable. So if it is a recommendation (ex masking) they are supposed to follow it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

It’s up for debate.

Competing with the executive order is Senate Bill 1303, which is on the books as Virginia law.

That law requires school boards to offer in-person instruction to students and follow CDC recommendations to the maximum extent practicable, which includes wearing masks.

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/attorney-on-youngkin-school-mask-order-virginia/291-e162fefc-d223-4eee-9950-722d92a7b1b6

I get the context, but can anyone point to where a CDC order REQUIRES masks in school? Everything I've seen is that the CDC RECOMMENDS masks in schools, so how would there be any conflict between the VA law and the EO is the schools RECOMMEND masks, but leave it up to parents decisions? Am I missing something?

The CDC as an organization makes recommendation, and requires very little; but masks are listed as a mitigation strategy so per SB1303 “maximum extend possible” it still stands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS not following state orders? Let kids choose to wear or not wear mask. My kids will wear their masks. We don’t care if others wear their masks or not.

Why does FCPS continue to defy the will of the people of Virginia?

It's following Virginia law and CDC recommendations. The courts will decide which is correct--the executive order or Virginia law. Over a dozen VA counties are not following Youngkin's executive order.

How does the executive order conflict with VA law?

It’s up for debate.

Competing with the executive order is Senate Bill 1303, which is on the books as Virginia law.

That law requires school boards to offer in-person instruction to students and follow CDC recommendations to the maximum extent practicable, which includes wearing masks.

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/attorney-on-youngkin-school-mask-order-virginia/291-e162fefc-d223-4eee-9950-722d92a7b1b6

I get the context, but can anyone point to where a CDC order REQUIRES masks in school? Everything I've seen is that the CDC RECOMMENDS masks in schools, so how would there be any conflict between the VA law and the EO is the schools RECOMMEND masks, but leave it up to parents decisions? Am I missing something?

It’s not your decision, it’s FCPS. If you want to remove the mandate, contact the SB, the superintendent…or sue. Your sole choices are limited to public education, private education, or homeschool. If you CHOOSE public, then you follow their rules.