Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just appears to be people looking for reasons to panic . . . . Unless you are going to Asia and/or even flying a long domestic flight to an international city like LA, move on with your 9-5 and your carpools to soccer.

There are confirmed cases in California and other states. It is not contained only to China.

That said, it's also a major current event. You don't have to discuss it if you don't want to, but why is this different from any other thread on this site? Or anywhere on the internet?

You're too cool for the coronavirus. Fine. The rest of us are interested. (Some of us have family in/near Wuhan, but I assume that most posters on this thread don't.)

Exactly.

But it’s not just “interest.” You’re discussing it from the worst-case scenario POV, suspending all reason. And all that does is spread unreasonable fear and stress. For example. There are two cases in CA. One in OC, one in LA county. Well I live in Southern CA. There is ZERO reason for me to be personally worried. And btw, lets say I get it. Well, so what? I get sick. Just like I would with the flu. This is NOT Ebola virus, folks.

This is exactly the problem. It will be worse than Ebola.

What nonsense. In what way are you proposing it's worse than Ebola? It's not as infectious as Ebola, nor nearly as fatal. You are another Chicken Little.

More false information because you are getting carried away?

The good thing about Ebola is that it's not very infectious. Unlike the coronaviruses.

Are you joking? Ebola is terribly infectious. This new coronavirus we don’t really know but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as catching as Ebola.

Ebola is direct contact, bodily fluid based virus via broken skin or mucous membranes, in the nose, mouth, or eyes. You need very close physical contact for it to spread. It is not contagious until symptoms develop and it remains contagious even after the patient has died. It is not airborne.

Coronavirus is airborne. At the moment there are indications that it can be spread even while a person has no symptoms, which would make it more contagious than SARS (CDC Press conference just made that comparison). It has already spread to over a dozen countries and there have been human-to-human transmissions in Europe and Asia (not China).

Ebola is more deadly, but the fact the coronavirus is airbone and (maybe) passing when people do not have symptoms is what troubles many professionals. African public health officials have said "If the latest coronavirus virus is transmitted like MERS or SARS, then it transmits like a the common cold. It is therefore likely to be much more infectious than Ebola." -- http://theconversation.com/perspectives-from-kenya-and-ghana-on-coronavirus-preparations-130488

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Anonymous wrote:For those looking for positive news — the 230 Americans being flown back to the US from Wuhan will be quarantined for 14 days. Source: Janice Mackey Fraser, NBCs China correspondent

Where will they be “quarantined”? In their homes?

Hopefully, Alaska.

Ha. I think I saw a map on CNN and it said Anchorage.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just appears to be people looking for reasons to panic . . . . Unless you are going to Asia and/or even flying a long domestic flight to an international city like LA, move on with your 9-5 and your carpools to soccer.

There are confirmed cases in California and other states. It is not contained only to China.

That said, it's also a major current event. You don't have to discuss it if you don't want to, but why is this different from any other thread on this site? Or anywhere on the internet?

You're too cool for the coronavirus. Fine. The rest of us are interested. (Some of us have family in/near Wuhan, but I assume that most posters on this thread don't.)

Exactly.

But it’s not just “interest.” You’re discussing it from the worst-case scenario POV, suspending all reason. And all that does is spread unreasonable fear and stress. For example. There are two cases in CA. One in OC, one in LA county. Well I live in Southern CA. There is ZERO reason for me to be personally worried. And btw, lets say I get it. Well, so what? I get sick. Just like I would with the flu. This is NOT Ebola virus, folks.

This is exactly the problem. It will be worse than Ebola.

What nonsense. In what way are you proposing it's worse than Ebola? It's not as infectious as Ebola, nor nearly as fatal. You are another Chicken Little.

More false information because you are getting carried away?

The good thing about Ebola is that it's not very infectious. Unlike the coronaviruses.

Are you joking? Ebola is terribly infectious. This new coronavirus we don’t really know but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as catching as Ebola.

Ebola is direct contact, bodily fluid based virus via broken skin or mucous membranes, in the nose, mouth, or eyes. You need very close physical contact for it to spread. It is not contagious until symptoms develop and it remains contagious even after the patient has died. It is not airborne.

Coronavirus is airborne. At the moment there are indications that it can be spread even while a person has no symptoms, which would make it more contagious than SARS (CDC Press conference just made that comparison). It has already spread to over a dozen countries and there have been human-to-human transmissions in Europe and Asia (not China).

Ebola is more deadly, but the fact the coronavirus is airbone and (maybe) passing when people do not have symptoms is what troubles many professionals. African public health officials have said "If the latest coronavirus virus is transmitted like MERS or SARS, then it transmits like a the common cold. It is therefore likely to be much more infectious than Ebola." -- http://theconversation.com/perspectives-from-kenya-and-ghana-on-coronavirus-preparations-130488

Tell me, which would you rather have? The flu or Ebola? I don't think it matters how easy it is to transmit if the virus itself isn't that bad.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just appears to be people looking for reasons to panic . . . . Unless you are going to Asia and/or even flying a long domestic flight to an international city like LA, move on with your 9-5 and your carpools to soccer.

There are confirmed cases in California and other states. It is not contained only to China.

That said, it's also a major current event. You don't have to discuss it if you don't want to, but why is this different from any other thread on this site? Or anywhere on the internet?

You're too cool for the coronavirus. Fine. The rest of us are interested. (Some of us have family in/near Wuhan, but I assume that most posters on this thread don't.)

Exactly.

But it’s not just “interest.” You’re discussing it from the worst-case scenario POV, suspending all reason. And all that does is spread unreasonable fear and stress. For example. There are two cases in CA. One in OC, one in LA county. Well I live in Southern CA. There is ZERO reason for me to be personally worried. And btw, lets say I get it. Well, so what? I get sick. Just like I would with the flu. This is NOT Ebola virus, folks.

This is exactly the problem. It will be worse than Ebola.

It's almost like you "want" it to be worse than Ebola. You're sick. Ebola is devastating. The death rate is high. Victims die from bleeding internally. People won't even go near the victims for (reasonable) fear of catching it. To compare the Coronavirus to Ebola is stupid. You're just on here spreading BS fear. Admit it.

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2 people being tested in DC today.

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Anonymous wrote:Concerning news regarding the German case. A German man contracted the virus from a Chinese woman who was a work colleague visiting from Shanghai.

Last week, the infected man, who works for the auto parts supplier Webasto in Starnberg, had attended a training session with the visiting Chinese colleague before she returned to China and began showing symptoms of the illness. The woman had recently been visited in Shanghai by her parents, who come from the area around Wuhan, where the new virus is believed to have originated.

Her German colleague in Bavaria developed bronchitis-like symptoms over the weekend but recovered and felt well enough to go to work on Monday.

If it's true the Chinese woman didn't feel ill until she was going home, then she spread the virus while asymptomatic.

The good part of this is that German man didn't get terribly ill. But a virus with a long incubation period that can spread before symptoms show is going to be hard to stop.

Three more people who also work at this German company have now tested positive. https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-drei-weitere-faelle-in-bayern-bestaetigt-a-99fbe5d4-0e47-464e-a75e-362481fad33a

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Anonymous wrote:Concerning news regarding the German case. A German man contracted the virus from a Chinese woman who was a work colleague visiting from Shanghai.

Last week, the infected man, who works for the auto parts supplier Webasto in Starnberg, had attended a training session with the visiting Chinese colleague before she returned to China and began showing symptoms of the illness. The woman had recently been visited in Shanghai by her parents, who come from the area around Wuhan, where the new virus is believed to have originated.

Her German colleague in Bavaria developed bronchitis-like symptoms over the weekend but recovered and felt well enough to go to work on Monday.

If it's true the Chinese woman didn't feel ill until she was going home, then she spread the virus while asymptomatic.

The good part of this is that German man didn't get terribly ill. But a virus with a long incubation period that can spread before symptoms show is going to be hard to stop.

Three more people who also work at this German company have now tested positive. https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-drei-weitere-faelle-in-bayern-bestaetigt-a-99fbe5d4-0e47-464e-a75e-362481fad33a

She said she didn’t feel ill until she was going home. Can you trust that? Nope

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Here's news of a man in Japan who felt ill two weeks ago, went to get medical attention but wasn't spotted as a possible coronavirus case, so he went back home. Went back to the hospital 5 days later.

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1222160575863623681

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He was a bus driver and probably infected from driving a busload of Wuhan tourists around. That was Jan 14th. Of COURSE this virus is spreading human to human, outside of China. That should not be a suprise to anyone.

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Three more people who also work at this German company have now tested positive. https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-drei-weitere-faelle-in-bayern-bestaetigt-a-99fbe5d4-0e47-464e-a75e-362481fad33a

So that might be an Ro of 4? One woman infected 4 people through casual contact.

How infectious is seasonal flu? I think it is an R0 of 1.3 or so?

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Three more people who also work at this German company have now tested positive. https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-drei-weitere-faelle-in-bayern-bestaetigt-a-99fbe5d4-0e47-464e-a75e-362481fad33a

So that might be an Ro of 4? One woman infected 4 people through casual contact.

How infectious is seasonal flu? I think it is an R0 of 1.3 or so?

r0 numbers are given as an average. There will many who do not spread it and then a superspreader who spreads to 10 or something. It's an average.

At present, most are using an r0 of 2.3-2.6 or so, based on numbers provided to the WHO by the Chinese public health authorities.

Current flu rates are 1.4 or so.

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Three more people who also work at this German company have now tested positive. https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-drei-weitere-faelle-in-bayern-bestaetigt-a-99fbe5d4-0e47-464e-a75e-362481fad33a

So that might be an Ro of 4? One woman infected 4 people through casual contact.

How infectious is seasonal flu? I think it is an R0 of 1.3 or so?

I've seen an R0 for flu of 1 to2. May depend on the strain. SARS is 3. From what I've been reading it looks like this is at least as infectious as SARS. But SARS is not infectious until symptoms appear, whereas this may not be the case for Wuhan virus. Still a lot more to learn here.

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Canada reports a third case in Vancouver in addition to the two in Toronto.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada reports a third case in Vancouver in addition to the two in Toronto.

Just saw a second story--it appears the Vancouver case is presumptive but not yet confirmed.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread just appears to be people looking for reasons to panic . . . . Unless you are going to Asia and/or even flying a long domestic flight to an international city like LA, move on with your 9-5 and your carpools to soccer.

There are confirmed cases in California and other states. It is not contained only to China.

That said, it's also a major current event. You don't have to discuss it if you don't want to, but why is this different from any other thread on this site? Or anywhere on the internet?

You're too cool for the coronavirus. Fine. The rest of us are interested. (Some of us have family in/near Wuhan, but I assume that most posters on this thread don't.)

Exactly.

But it’s not just “interest.” You’re discussing it from the worst-case scenario POV, suspending all reason. And all that does is spread unreasonable fear and stress. For example. There are two cases in CA. One in OC, one in LA county. Well I live in Southern CA. There is ZERO reason for me to be personally worried. And btw, lets say I get it. Well, so what? I get sick. Just like I would with the flu. This is NOT Ebola virus, folks.

This is exactly the problem. It will be worse than Ebola.

What nonsense. In what way are you proposing it's worse than Ebola? It's not as infectious as Ebola, nor nearly as fatal. You are another Chicken Little.

The basic reproductive ratio of 2019-nCOV (2.6-2.9) is higher than the 2014 Ebola in Guinea (1.5)