Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

That's what other Asians are saying too. Let's come up with criteria that allow more URMs to attend. Not have a lottery which demeans everyone/everything. Unfortunately, solutions like a lottery has become a stick to beat Asians and show them their place. And it won't stop. This is not just about TJ. It is just outright nastiness. And a way for some people to cater to their basest instincts.

Anonymous wrote:Asian here. While I agree in theory with schools like TJ and Stuyvesant using entrance exams to select students, I think that they should adopt entrance criteria that would allow for more URMs to attend, even if it means changing the schools from serving the most elite students to a broader population. The amount of strife and ill will the schools generate under current admissions criteria is not worth it. Top performing math and science students will shine in any environment, but students in households without strong supports in place for their children to succeed need a helping hand right now.

[Anonymous]

A lottery with a minimum GPA and demonstrated interest in TJ is just one way to expand access to the school. We get that some like the status quo just fine, but you neither own the school nor unilaterally get to make policy decisions. Those decisions are instead entrusted to the elected School Board and FCPS staff. The knee-jerk reaction that this is "anti-Asian," led by conservative agitators and Trump supporters, like Asra Nomani, has been an unnecessary distraction.

[Anonymous]

Lottery with such criteria is a bad, lazy solution which is clearly anti-asian - as per stated intent and expected results. I am not a conservative agitator and detest Trump. I can't support a bad non-solution which in an attack on Asians. And please don't patronize people like me calling my opposition and viewpoint a distraction. I resent your racist, supremacist attitude. Get out of here.

Anonymous wrote:A lottery with a minimum GPA and demonstrated interest in TJ is just one way to expand access to the school. We get that some like the status quo just fine, but you neither own the school nor unilaterally get to make policy decisions. Those decisions are instead entrusted to the elected School Board and FCPS staff. The knee-jerk reaction that this is "anti-Asian," led by conservative agitators and Trump supporters, like Asra Nomani, has been an unnecessary distraction.

[Anonymous]

Please let's do this..else you will have everything taken away from you. We have to get involved at all levels. Can't let the Democratic party be driven by petty racist hooligans.

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Anonymous wrote:Get involved politically. At every level. Defang the racists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We turned Virginia blue. We’re on our way to even turning Texas blue. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/28/2020-election-indian-americans-blue-wave-texas/

Do you think we don’t see what you’re doing? How you’re using race as a cudgel for political power? You’re racist, and you’re sanctimonious about it. You try to gaslight us, dismiss our struggle and make us out to be the bad guys, you use us to pay for your legacy of slavery, and then you smirk and preen yourselves - we see you for what you are, don’t pretend.

10000X this.

WAKE UP people!!

Especially at the local level - we need to get rid of these closet racists

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's what other Asians are saying too. Let's come up with criteria that allow more URMs to attend. Not have a lottery which demeans everyone/everything. Unfortunately, solutions like a lottery has become a stick to beat Asians and show them their place. And it won't stop. This is not just about TJ. It is just outright nastiness. And a way for some people to cater to their basest instincts.

Anonymous wrote:Asian here. While I agree in theory with schools like TJ and Stuyvesant using entrance exams to select students, I think that they should adopt entrance criteria that would allow for more URMs to attend, even if it means changing the schools from serving the most elite students to a broader population. The amount of strife and ill will the schools generate under current admissions criteria is not worth it. Top performing math and science students will shine in any environment, but students in households without strong supports in place for their children to succeed need a helping hand right now.

YES! This is what we want as well. You will not find a single Asian who disagrees with you on this. What's creepy is people like PP assuming that URMs cannot succeed competitively, and need quotas to succeed - that's incredibly racist.

[Anonymous]

Here are the comments made by the best STEM educator that FCPS has ever seen, at https://www.mathreasoning.com/news-writing/my-take-proposed-tj-admissions-process (any emphasis below is mine).

On improving the current TJ admissions standards:

So what should be done to improve the admissions process instead of destroying it? Create a test that is prep proof (I could easily help with that) and truly test the higher level thinking skills needed for many of the advanced math and science concepts encountered at TJ. Keep the teacher recommendation as part of the process since middle school teachers truly know the capabilities, interests, and passions of their students. To suggest that they might show bias (as has been alleged by some) in their recommendations is an insult to every FCPS middle school teacher. Create a quality information/activities piece where students are asked to describe their successes as well as how they reacted to setbacks. I can discern between students who join Mathcounts or Science Olympiad in order to pad their resumes and those who join because they genuinely love math and science. Even if it means conducting interviews, the difference can be determined.

On the problem of URMs falling through the cracks:

As for finding potential TJ qualified students from all areas of Northern Virginia, I would be willing to help. Some teachers equate brilliance with putting commas in the correct place in English class and making very few careless errors in math class. I would gladly meet with middle and elementary school teachers throughout Northern Virginia to discuss traits of intellectually gifted students. I would also gladly award scholarships to students from areas such as the Mt. Vernon High School pyramid where there are low numbers of TJ applicants. These scholarships would apply to attending the Math Enrichment summer camp and small group sessions held throughout the school year. I have made similar offers before.

On gifted students who could potentially be left out due to altered admissions standards:

But why should we prevent them in any way from attending a special math/science school built for them? Only if other concerns are at play. I suspect that we all know what they are.

Zero ambiguity in any of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's what other Asians are saying too. Let's come up with criteria that allow more URMs to attend. Not have a lottery which demeans everyone/everything. Unfortunately, solutions like a lottery has become a stick to beat Asians and show them their place. And it won't stop. This is not just about TJ. It is just outright nastiness. And a way for some people to cater to their basest instincts.

Anonymous wrote:Asian here. While I agree in theory with schools like TJ and Stuyvesant using entrance exams to select students, I think that they should adopt entrance criteria that would allow for more URMs to attend, even if it means changing the schools from serving the most elite students to a broader population. The amount of strife and ill will the schools generate under current admissions criteria is not worth it. Top performing math and science students will shine in any environment, but students in households without strong supports in place for their children to succeed need a helping hand right now.

YES! This is what we want as well. You will not find a single Asian who disagrees with you on this. What's creepy is people like PP assuming that URMs cannot succeed competitively, and need quotas to succeed - that's incredibly racist.

The Asian URM testing gap isn't real. The white URM testing gap isn't real. The Asian white testing gap isn't real. Hence under any testing system, everyone has an equal chance for admission.

https://patch.com/virginia/vienna/sol-results-released-2018-19-how-fairfax-county-did

[Anonymous]

But but...all these solutions involve work - mostly by parents. Why would I do that? I want something for nothing. I am in power you pathetic peasants. I will destroy institutions as I please.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the comments made by the best STEM
educator that FCPS has ever seen, at https://www.mathreasoning.com/news-writing/my-take-proposed-tj-admissions-process (any emphasis below is mine).

On improving the current TJ admissions standards:

So what should be done to improve the admissions process instead of destroying it? Create a test that is prep proof (I could easily help with that) and truly test the higher level thinking skills needed for many of the advanced math and science concepts encountered at TJ. Keep the teacher recommendation as part of the process since middle school teachers truly know the capabilities, interests, and passions of their students. To suggest that they might show bias (as has been alleged by some) in their recommendations is an insult to every FCPS middle school teacher. Create a quality information/activities piece where students are asked to describe their successes as well as how they reacted to setbacks. I can discern between students who join Mathcounts or Science Olympiad in order to pad their resumes and those who join because they genuinely love math and science. Even if it means conducting interviews, the difference can be determined.

On the problem of URMs falling through the cracks:

As for finding potential TJ qualified students from all areas of Northern Virginia, I would be willing to help. Some teachers equate brilliance with putting commas in the correct place in English class and making very few careless errors in math class. I would gladly meet with middle and elementary school teachers throughout Northern Virginia to discuss traits of intellectually gifted students. I would also gladly award scholarships to students from areas such as the Mt. Vernon High School pyramid where there are low numbers of TJ applicants. These scholarships would apply to attending the Math Enrichment summer camp and small group sessions held throughout the school year. I have made similar offers before.

On gifted students who could potentially be left out due to altered admissions standards:

But why should we prevent them in any way from attending a special math/science school built for them? Only if other concerns are at play. I suspect that we all know what they are.

Zero ambiguity in any of this.

[Anonymous]

If they won’t listen to the best STEM educator Virginia’s ever had (who also happens to be black), it’s obvious they’re not interested in either education or equity.

[Anonymous]

So much logorreah on display. Well, let’s see some Asians wrest control of the School Board and the county government on the back of their very positive, big-tent message that an almost entirely Asian magnet school with next to no black, Hispanic or poor kids is something that should be everyone’s top priority.

[Anonymous]

Issue is attempting to turn a gifted school to a lottery school and destroying the institution. There is such a thing as standing for the truth even if it is uncomfortable to do so. Try doing that sometime in your life!

Anonymous wrote:So much logorreah on display. Well, let’s see some Asians wrest control of the School Board and the county government on the back of their very positive, big-tent message that an almost entirely Asian magnet school with next to no black, Hispanic or poor kids is something that should be everyone’s top priority.

[Anonymous]

It is like the school elections being won by the kid who promises free soda and no homework. Does happen.

Just like the American presidential elections was won by a clown who promised his supporters the darndest things. And destroyed his party in the process. Happens.

Thanks for teaching me a new word today. Only good thing that happened from this otherwise useless discussion.

Three cheers to logorreah

Anonymous wrote:So much logorreah on display. Well, let’s see some Asians wrest control of the School Board and the county government on the back of their very positive, big-tent message that an almost entirely Asian magnet school with next to no black, Hispanic or poor kids is something that should be everyone’s top priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much logorreah on display. Well, let’s see some Asians wrest control of the School Board and the county government on the back of their very positive, big-tent message that an almost entirely Asian magnet school with next to no black, Hispanic or poor kids is something that should be everyone’s top priority.

This is awesome, thank you. It boggles the mind that people think this is some populist message that vast numbers of voters will get behind. People are really tone deaf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Issue is attempting to turn a gifted school to a lottery school and destroying the institution. There is such a thing as standing for the truth even if it is uncomfortable to do so. Try doing that sometime in your life!

Not a lottery school. A school that offers a lottery to all interested, high-achieving students. This new system reflects a public education system designed to provide rigorous educational opportunities to the broadest number of children possible, not to admit students by IQ contest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much logorreah on display. Well, let’s see some Asians wrest control of the School Board and the county government on the back of their very positive, big-tent message that an almost entirely Asian magnet school with next to no black, Hispanic or poor kids is something that should be everyone’s top priority.

Holy gaslighting and forum sliding, Batman!