Magruder HS Shooting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP is incorrect that it was the security officer who recognized it was a gunshot wound. It was not called in that way. The briefing was actually unclear—I saw one account say it was the nurse, and another that indicated it was a first responder which may have been the deputy sheriff community engagement office (who is a certified LeO who has been through the police academy), EMS, or the police officer that eventually arrived.
The kid was probably gushing blood frkm the abdomen so with no exit would, a stabbing maybe seemed reasonable. I do really wonder how long he had been lying there before the security officer found him—-does anyone know what time the witnesses tweets went out? It seems supremely good luck that the security officer just happened to be doing his sweeps in that hallway at that time.

As in with any breaking news the facts are sometimes inaccurately reported. With that said, what I remember is the initial call was for a stab wound that was what the security officer called it in. Later it was reported as a gun shot. That is what I remember from the first day.

The police scanner audio is public and posted. You can listen for yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PP is incorrect that it was the security officer who recognized it was a gunshot wound. It was not called in that way. The briefing was actually unclear—I saw one account say it was the nurse, and another that indicated it was a first responder which may have been the deputy sheriff community engagement office (who is a certified LeO who has been through the police academy), EMS, or the police officer that eventually arrived.
The kid was probably gushing blood frkm the abdomen so with no exit would, a stabbing maybe seemed reasonable. I do really wonder how long he had been lying there before the security officer found him—-does anyone know what time the witnesses tweets went out? It seems supremely good luck that the security officer just happened to be doing his sweeps in that hallway at that time.

As in with any breaking news the facts are sometimes inaccurately reported. With that said, what I remember is the initial call was for a stab wound that was what the security officer called it in. Later it was reported as a gun shot. That is what I remember from the first day.

The police scanner audio is public and posted. You can listen for yourself.

I’ll search for it, thank you. So much has happened since that I might be getting my “facts” confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a security officer in the school. The removal of SROs did not create a vacuum. In this case, the security officer (who is not an employee of MCPD) found the student, called for help, and played an integral role in getting safety measures going.

You don’t need a police officer for that.

Well apparently you do need a police officer to recognize a BULLET HOLE in a child. Duh.

+1 even if they thought initially it might be a stab wound, why didn't they call the cops?

Cops are trained to assess threat. Security officers are not.

Bring back the SROs. I'm signing that petition.

You can’t train security officers to assess a wound but you can teach cops education and psychology?

Are security guards, admins, and teachers trained psychologists?

Cops go through intensive training to assess risk and threat. What type of training do security guards go through?

The security officer is the person who discovered the student in the bathroom, recognized that he had been shot, and kicked off all the emergency response. Please watch the video on Magruder’s website instead of continuing to speculate about the chain of events.

Did he call the cops immediately when he recognized that it was a gunshot wound? Did he immediately tell the admin the school needed to go on lockdown?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a security officer in the school. The removal of SROs did not create a vacuum. In this case, the security officer (who is not an employee of MCPD) found the student, called for help, and played an integral role in getting safety measures going.

You don’t need a police officer for that.

Well apparently you do need a police officer to recognize a BULLET HOLE in a child. Duh.

+1 even if they thought initially it might be a stab wound, why didn't they call the cops?

Cops are trained to assess threat. Security officers are not.

Bring back the SROs. I'm signing that petition.

You can’t train security officers to assess a wound but you can teach cops education and psychology?

Are security guards, admins, and teachers trained psychologists?

Cops go through intensive training to assess risk and threat. What type of training do security guards go through?

The security officer is the person who discovered the student in the bathroom, recognized that he had been shot, and kicked off all the emergency response. Please watch the video on Magruder’s website instead of continuing to speculate about the chain of events.

Did he call the cops immediately when he recognized that it was a gunshot wound? Did he immediately tell the admin the school needed to go on lockdown?

The call was for a community engagement officer. That’s not a police emergency call it is a call for a body to show up at a school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a security officer in the school. The removal of SROs did not create a vacuum. In this case, the security officer (who is not an employee of MCPD) found the student, called for help, and played an integral role in getting safety measures going.

You don’t need a police officer for that.

Well apparently you do need a police officer to recognize a BULLET HOLE in a child. Duh.

+1 even if they thought initially it might be a stab wound, why didn't they call the cops?

Cops are trained to assess threat. Security officers are not.

Bring back the SROs. I'm signing that petition.

You can’t train security officers to assess a wound but you can teach cops education and psychology?

Are security guards, admins, and teachers trained psychologists?

Cops go through intensive training to assess risk and threat. What type of training do security guards go through?

The security officer is the person who discovered the student in the bathroom, recognized that he had been shot, and kicked off all the emergency response. Please watch the video on Magruder’s website instead of continuing to speculate about the chain of events.

Did he call the cops immediately when he recognized that it was a gunshot wound? Did he immediately tell the admin the school needed to go on lockdown?

The call was for a community engagement officer. That’s not a police emergency call it is a call for a body to show up at a school.

Thanks for clarifying.

So, the security guard didn't realize/know to call the cops even though he recognized that it was a gunshot wound? WTF?

Another protocal not followed here.

[Anonymous]

And EMS was told not to use siren.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And EMS was told not to use siren.

was this because they didn't want to spook the shooter or because they didn't realize it was an urgent issue?

Either way, that was another miss.

1. if they didn't want sirens used so as to not spook the shooter, then they assumed the shooter was around the school, in which case, they should've called 911
2. if they didn't realize it was an urgent issue even though they knew it was a bullet would then, OMG. I don't know what to say. Next time one of them gets shot, I guess they won't think it's an urgent issue, so EMT doesn't need to use siren. Just go with the traffic.

Holy crap.

[Anonymous]

What about a sense of urgency to save a child's life? Why not medivac never mind NO SIREN for ambulance?

Deny, minimize, deflect - oh that stabber shooter must have left the bidg! oh that kid in the hall, i will let him in! never mind from Columbine on school shooters have been students, why follow protocol in a school that had recent repeated threats that were also dismissed? Why not be trained and drilled to respond to save victims and maximize safety?

It was EMS who expressed concern about the security situation at the school en route. Before THEY knew it was a gunshot they knew it could be unsafe and they had not heard of a police response on the radio and were uneasy. Common sense. They had it, the nurse performed well, everyone else did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about a sense of urgency to save a child's life? Why not medivac never mind NO SIREN for ambulance?

Deny, minimize, deflect - oh that stabber shooter must have left the bidg! oh that kid in the hall, i will let him in! never mind from Columbine on school shooters have been students, why follow protocol in a school that had recent repeated threats that were also dismissed? Why not be trained and drilled to respond to save victims and maximize safety?

It was EMS who expressed concern about the security situation at the school en route. Before THEY knew it was a gunshot they knew it could be unsafe and they had not heard of a police response on the radio and were uneasy. Common sense. They had it, the nurse performed well, everyone else did not.

An SRO presense may not have stopped the shooting, but the SRO would know to treat this with the utmost urgency and call the cops.

As stated, they are trained to assess and respond to threats. Security guards are not. Heck, even the EMS knew better than the admins and security guard, who again are not trained for this type of thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about a sense of urgency to save a child's life? Why not medivac never mind NO SIREN for ambulance?

Deny, minimize, deflect - oh that stabber shooter must have left the bidg! oh that kid in the hall, i will let him in! never mind from Columbine on school shooters have been students, why follow protocol in a school that had recent repeated threats that were also dismissed? Why not be trained and drilled to respond to save victims and maximize safety?

It was EMS who expressed concern about the security situation at the school en route. Before THEY knew it was a gunshot they knew it could be unsafe and they had not heard of a police response on the radio and were uneasy. Common sense. They had it, the nurse performed well, everyone else did not.

An SRO presense may not have stopped the shooting, but the SRO would know to treat this with the utmost urgency and call the cops.

As stated, they are trained to assess and respond to threats. Security guards are not. Heck, even the EMS knew better than the admins and security guard, who again are not trained for this type of thing.

This.

I'm not convinced an SRO wouldn't have stopped this either.
Unfortunately for the child, we will never know.

[Anonymous]

Given repeated recent threats why wasn't the response at least adequate? Was there no training/drilling/rehearsing in response to those threats as recently as December? If those threats involved social media and MCPD indicated that Alston may have displayed intent on his IG why was that not picked up on? Why did the earlier threats just get breezily dismissed and there was no preparation for if they were real? There was just another school shooting in MI. Why was the response re: getting the vicitm to a trauma center as fast as possible and safeguarding the other students so lacking?

If the earlier threats were linked to Alston, I hope that will come out but if true there will be strenuous attempts to bury that info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a security officer in the school. The removal of SROs did not create a vacuum. In this case, the security officer (who is not an employee of MCPD) found the student, called for help, and played an integral role in getting safety measures going.

You don’t need a police officer for that.

Well apparently you do need a police officer to recognize a BULLET HOLE in a child. Duh.

+1 even if they thought initially it might be a stab wound, why didn't they call the cops?

Cops are trained to assess threat. Security officers are not.

Bring back the SROs. I'm signing that petition.

You can’t train security officers to assess a wound but you can teach cops education and psychology?

a CEO is what SROs are now called. They are The Police, not just a body.
Are security guards, admins, and teachers trained psychologists?

Cops go through intensive training to assess risk and threat. What type of training do security guards go through?

The security officer is the person who discovered the student in the bathroom, recognized that he had been shot, and kicked off all the emergency response. Please watch the video on Magruder’s website instead of continuing to speculate about the chain of events.

Did he call the cops immediately when he recognized that it was a gunshot wound? Did he immediately tell the admin the school needed to go on lockdown?

The call was for a community engagement officer. That’s not a police emergency call it is a call for a body to show up at a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about a sense of urgency to save a child's life? Why not medivac never mind NO SIREN for ambulance?

Deny, minimize, deflect - oh that stabber shooter must have left the bidg! oh that kid in the hall, i will let him in! never mind from Columbine on school shooters have been students, why follow protocol in a school that had recent repeated threats that were also dismissed? Why not be trained and drilled to respond to save victims and maximize safety?

It was EMS who expressed concern about the security situation at the school en route. Before THEY knew it was a gunshot they knew it could be unsafe and they had not heard of a police response on the radio and were uneasy. Common sense. They had it, the nurse performed well, everyone else did not.

An SRO presense may not have stopped the shooting, but the SRO would know to treat this with the utmost urgency and call the cops.

As stated, they are trained to assess and respond to threats. Security guards are not. Heck, even the EMS knew better than the admins and security guard, who again are not trained for this type of thing.

This.

I'm not convinced an SRO wouldn't have stopped this either.
Unfortunately for the child, we will never know.

There is great chance he could have prevented this by knowing a beef was brewing. And help talk the kids out of it. That’s what they are best at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Message from Principal in Dec

Good morning Magruder High School Staff, Students, and Families,

The purpose of this letter is to provide an update on an ongoing concern regarding a threat toward our school that was reported last week. On December 2, 2021, I wrote to you to share the outcome of our investigation with the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD) and the MCPS Office of Systemwide Safety regarding an alleged threat. The investigation concluded that there is no credible threat. However,there continue to be rumors and concerns circulated on social media and through word of mouth that indicate that the threat remains.

We continue to work with our police and security partners and it continues to be the determination that the student does not present a threat to our students and staff. However, we will remain vigilant and will respond immediately to anything related to this incident or any other safety concern. We appreciate the partnership, collaboration and attention provided to Magruder High School to thoroughly address this matter.

I want to encourage anyone who may see or hear something that threatens the safety of our school to say something to an administrator. The importance of this cannot be understated. I made an announcement to the entire school this morning regarding this matter and the ongoing concern. We have increased our security and adult presence throughout the school building to reassure everyone of our vigilance and commitment to safety. I am sending this second message to the community to provide an update on this situation and request parent support in dealing with the threats and rumors that grow out of social media. I am asking parents to have a conversation with your children regarding the importance of sharing information with a trusted adult but not contributing in a negative way by spreading unfounded rumors. It is equally important that they do not take part in any activity that could be considered bullying or harmful to someone. I fully realize the seriousness of this matter and school safety as a priority. With your support and involvement, we will maintain a safe school environment.

Please do not hesitate to reach out to me or any member of the Magruder High School administration if you have any questions or concerns, at 240-740-5550.

Sincerely,
Dr. Leroy C. Evans

Was this linked to Alston?

If so, it wlll be covered up and that info will never see the light of day.

Regardless of the source of the threat, they were on notice and should have responded far better than they did on Friday. The victim was not transported as quickly as possible (no siren!), other students were put at risk when the shooter was allowed to enter a locked classroom that was not even his class, etc. Student social media should have been monitored, it was hinted that Alston had indicated intent on his IG. They were on notice and the response failed by every adult but the nurse.

No that was from one kid telling my kid he was going to shoot up thr school next Wednesday. Not same kid as this actual shooting. At that time, my child did alert an assistant principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about a sense of urgency to save a child's life? Why not medivac never mind NO SIREN for ambulance?

Deny, minimize, deflect - oh that stabber shooter must have left the bidg! oh that kid in the hall, i will let him in! never mind from Columbine on school shooters have been students, why follow protocol in a school that had recent repeated threats that were also dismissed? Why not be trained and drilled to respond to save victims and maximize safety?

It was EMS who expressed concern about the security situation at the school en route. Before THEY knew it was a gunshot they knew it could be unsafe and they had not heard of a police response on the radio and were uneasy. Common sense. They had it, the nurse performed well, everyone else did not.

An SRO presense may not have stopped the shooting, but the SRO would know to treat this with the utmost urgency and call the cops.

As stated, they are trained to assess and respond to threats. Security guards are not. Heck, even the EMS knew better than the admins and security guard, who again are not trained for this type of thing.

This.

I'm not convinced an SRO wouldn't have stopped this either.
Unfortunately for the child, we will never know.

There is great chance he could have prevented this by knowing a beef was brewing. And help talk the kids out of it. That’s what they are best at.

They have literally never done that.