stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no voter fraud problem. The election fraud problem is voter suppression by state and local government officials.

There is no voter suppression problem. That narrative surfaces when a Democrat loses an election he/she was predicted to win.
Blame the damn polls that never get it right. Don't blame suppression.

True or false: the people most impacted by these laws are poor and POC.

No. How would it?

Not everyone has drivers license or a Passport.

Nor do they need either. Anyone can get a basic ID at the DMV. It’s not the arduous task you like to pretend it is.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did George Washington, Ben Franklin, or Thomas Jefferson show ID to vote in America’s first elections? Anyone?

Thanks.

OMG. We’re truly dealing with idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Voting is a right, it’s in the Constitution. Should be no limits, just like you don’t want limits on gun control. If you are an originalist or abide by Constitution you should be against voter ID. Just like you are against any rules on guns.

Of course there are rules for buying guns - first and foremost, that you show ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no voter fraud problem. The election fraud problem is voter suppression by state and local government officials.

There is no voter suppression problem. That narrative surfaces when a Democrat loses an election he/she was predicted to win.
Blame the damn polls that never get it right. Don't blame suppression.

True or false: the people most impacted by these laws are poor and POC.

No. How would it?

Not everyone has drivers license or a Passport.

Nor do they need either. Anyone can get a basic ID at the DMV. It’s not the arduous task you like to pretend it is.
DP

You sound like someone who has always had access to a car. For many people, particularly older people, it really is not that easy. Most DMVs are not easy to access without a car.
Also, now that Real ID is the standard for driver’s licenses, do you know what documents are needed for the “basic ID”? Again, particularly for older people, getting an official copy of your birth certificate might not be easy, inexpensive, or even possible.
I have the feeling that most people making comments like this are relatively young people who drive and were born in hospitals.

It’s all a distraction.

[Anonymous]

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Then surely Dems can find a workaround. How many people actually don’t have IDs? Is it that people lose them? Dems can work to make it easier to get them.



No, state governments need to do that, not a political party. The minute any well meaning group tries you all scream fraud.

But the state governments don’t WANT to make it easy. See, Jim Crow et. al

Get the FEDERAL government behind issuing and paying all costs to get everyone a valid photo ID. It could be the US passport which is a federal document and is recognized everywhere.
How much could this cost? Say that 11% of eligible voters don't have ID. That's about 25 million persons. Assume a maximum cost of $1000 per person (probably much less since public employees would be doing all the work and no private attorneys)

So, at most 25 billion dollars and this is settled once and for all. A trifle amount given what's at stake and the trillions that are being spent now because of COVID.

I think this would be great. Most of us who do not see a need for this would be fine with it if the government made the process accessible and free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no voter fraud problem. The election fraud problem is voter suppression by state and local government officials.

There is no voter suppression problem. That narrative surfaces when a Democrat loses an election he/she was predicted to win.
Blame the damn polls that never get it right. Don't blame suppression.

True or false: the people most impacted by these laws are poor and POC.

No. How would it?

Not everyone has drivers license or a Passport.

Nor do they need either. Anyone can get a basic ID at the DMV. It’s not the arduous task you like to pretend it is.
DP

You sound like someone who has always had access to a car. For many people, particularly older people, it really is not that easy. Most DMVs are not easy to access without a car.
Also, now that Real ID is the standard for driver’s licenses, do you know what documents are needed for the “basic ID”? Again, particularly for older people, getting an official copy of your birth certificate might not be easy, inexpensive, or even possible.
I have the feeling that most people making comments like this are relatively young people who drive and were born in hospitals.

It’s all a distraction.

Yes, your constant excuses are indeed a distraction. One excuse after another. Democrats never disappoint in that regard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did George Washington, Ben Franklin, or Thomas Jefferson show ID to vote in America’s first elections? Anyone?

Thanks.

OMG. We’re truly dealing with idiots.

If it is was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it’s good enough for me. They had identity documents back in those days.

Again, why do I need to show ID to vote? I didn’t need to show ID for years until the mid 2000s. Why did no one show ID in 1800 to 2005?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no voter fraud problem. The election fraud problem is voter suppression by state and local government officials.

There is no voter suppression problem. That narrative surfaces when a Democrat loses an election he/she was predicted to win.
Blame the damn polls that never get it right. Don't blame suppression.

True or false: the people most impacted by these laws are poor and POC.

No. How would it?

Not everyone has drivers license or a Passport.

Nor do they need either. Anyone can get a basic ID at the DMV. It’s not the arduous task you like to pretend it is.
DP

You sound like someone who has always had access to a car. For many people, particularly older people, it really is not that easy. Most DMVs are not easy to access without a car.
Also, now that Real ID is the standard for driver’s licenses, do you know what documents are needed for the “basic ID”? Again, particularly for older people, getting an official copy of your birth certificate might not be easy, inexpensive, or even possible.
I have the feeling that most people making comments like this are relatively young people who drive and were born in hospitals.

It’s all a distraction.

Yes, your constant excuses are indeed a distraction. One excuse after another. Democrats never disappoint in that regard.

Excuse? There’s is zero reason for any of us to be your circus monkey. Did JFK or Nixon show ID to vote at the polls? Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no voter fraud problem. The election fraud problem is voter suppression by state and local government officials.

There is no voter suppression problem. That narrative surfaces when a Democrat loses an election he/she was predicted to win.
Blame the damn polls that never get it right. Don't blame suppression.

True or false: the people most impacted by these laws are poor and POC.

No. How would it?

Not everyone has drivers license or a Passport.

Nor do they need either. Anyone can get a basic ID at the DMV. It’s not the arduous task you like to pretend it is.
DP

You sound like someone who has always had access to a car. For many people, particularly older people, it really is not that easy. Most DMVs are not easy to access without a car.
Also, now that Real ID is the standard for driver’s licenses, do you know what documents are needed for the “basic ID”? Again, particularly for older people, getting an official copy of your birth certificate might not be easy, inexpensive, or even possible.
I have the feeling that most people making comments like this are relatively young people who drive and were born in hospitals.

It’s all a distraction.

Yes, your constant excuses are indeed a distraction. One excuse after another. Democrats never disappoint in that regard.

While Republicans just keep repeating lies because that’s all they have to offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did George Washington, Ben Franklin, or Thomas Jefferson show ID to vote in America’s first elections? Anyone?

Thanks.

OMG. We’re truly dealing with idiots.

If it is was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it’s good enough for me. They had identity documents back in those days.

Again, why do I need to show ID to vote? I didn’t need to show ID for years until the mid 2000s. Why did no one show ID in 1800 to 2005?

Sadly, the Founding Fathers limited voting to white, male property owners — what the Republicans seem to be trying to get back to.

[Anonymous]

What's funny is, all the people I know who haven't been able to be a realID and are driving around on an expired license are rebid conservatives.

This may not work out how the republicans think it will work out, ha.

[Anonymous]

"get a real ID" and "rabid conservatives."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's funny is, all the people I know who haven't been able to be a realID and are driving around on an expired license are rebid conservatives.

This may not work out how the republicans think it will work out, ha.

Yes, we *really* believe your lame, made up, failed “anecdote”. I’m a Republican and have a Real ID, as do my spouse, adult children, and parents.

[Anonymous]

No ID card. If you want to be tracked, go ahead.
Don’t subject me to it. I do not want to end up like in China where my ability to get a job or travel can be “turned off” as way to control me. The ID card will be abused and probably by the same white crew who made illegal to give a voter some water.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

This has been discussed ad nauseum. If you want to understand, you'll have to first step outside your priviledge bubble and consider that other people's lives look different than yours. People are poor, workultiple casual jobs to make ends meet, live in rural areas or areas with little access to public transportation.

Also, the definition of "valid ID" being used in these laws is so blatantly lopsided it's almost laughable. Student ID, not valid. Gun registration, valid.

And they never buy cigarettes, alcohol, or guns. They never cash checks or drive or rent an apartment, fly on a plane, etc etc.

Having an ID is a requirement in the modern world. If there are people that are really so low functioning that they can't follow through and get one I certainly don't object to people holding their hand through the process but I don't see any reason we can't take minimal prudent steps to secure our elections because there are some people that can't manage their most basic affairs.

We don’t need elections secured. The data shows that we do not need that.

We need the old white men to stand down and let black people vote.