Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

Lots of kids from across the community have the drive and ability. What they don’t have is the privilege of tudors and test prep.

+10000 Why do we continue to skirt around this issue? I think we all know the answer to this. Hours of prepping and tutoring doesn’t equal a gifted kid, it only yields a great test taker, not necessarily a great thinker or exceptional student.

Except only some Asians prep despite all the misinformation on this board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is why don’t we just create additional schools like TJ? If there are so many qualified kids that they only accept a tiny % and need to hold a lottery, seems like the solution is to create a second or third TJ.

This are exactly my thoughts

Maybe limited infrastructure and/or staff?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Ok, let’s disqualify every student who attends prep courses and see how it plays out.

Result will be more Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

Lots of kids from across the community have the drive and ability. What they don’t have is the privilege of tudors and test prep.

+10000 Why do we continue to skirt around this issue? I think we all know the answer to this. Hours of prepping and tutoring doesn’t equal a gifted kid, it only yields a great test taker, not necessarily a great thinker or exceptional student.

Except only some Asians prep despite all the misinformation on this board.

The only students in my child’s class who prep are Asian. They make up a larger majority than you would like to admit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does discrimination against "Asians in America" compare to discrimination against "Americans in Asia?'

Americans are treated well in Asia especially in comparison to how Asians are treated in America. Blacks are treated especially well in Japan.

Hahahahaaaaaa ha ha ha ha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

Lots of kids from across the community have the drive and ability. What they don’t have is the privilege of tudors and test prep.

+10000 Why do we continue to skirt around this issue? I think we all know the answer to this. Hours of prepping and tutoring doesn’t equal a gifted kid, it only yields a great test taker, not necessarily a great thinker or exceptional student.

Except only some Asians prep despite all the misinformation on this board.

The only students in my child’s class who prep are Asian. They make up a larger majority than you would like to admit.

Funny because students in my kid’s who prep or get tutored are mostly white students.

[Anonymous]

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You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

Your premise is that a high test score is only because of lucking out in the parental lottery, and you refuse to give any credit to the child for working hard and being motivated, having and expressing interest in academic achievement. But somehow, you believe that a residential lottery will lead to greater equity. Read this to understand how wrong you are https://www.mommyish.com/i-feel-guilty-that-my-daughter-won-the-charter-school-lottery/ . It describes the gradual squeezing out of minorities from an inner city lottery based charter school “ at the local public school, 78 percent of the students are black, 12 percent are white, and 72 percent receive free or reduced lunch. At the charter school, 18 percent are black and 68 percent white, with 13 percent eligible for free or reduced lunch. These two schools are supposed to draw from the same neighborhood. But they’re in different worlds.”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores are bogus on account of test prep which is placing a thumb on the scale. There ought to be a test for screening out test-preppers a priori. Public schooling is at the root of all problem. Leave it up to the parents to educate their kids themselves as the parents see fit.

Right. Let’s ban all tests.

No, let’s ban all test prep. Really, why do we need test prep courses? Why? If you’re smart it shouldn’t matter, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test scores are bogus on account of test prep which is placing a thumb on the scale. There ought to be a test for screening out test-preppers a priori. Public schooling is at the root of all problem. Leave it up to the parents to educate their kids themselves as the parents see fit.

Right. Let’s ban all tests.

No, let’s ban all test prep. Really, why do we need test prep courses? Why? If you’re smart it shouldn’t matter, right?

Except fcps is not banning anything and only picking on Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

Your premise is that a high test score is only because of lucking out in the parental lottery, and you refuse to give any credit to the child for working hard and being motivated, having and expressing interest in academic achievement. But somehow, you believe that a residential lottery will lead to greater equity. Read this to understand how wrong you are https://www.mommyish.com/i-feel-guilty-that-my-daughter-won-the-charter-school-lottery/ . It describes the gradual squeezing out of minorities from an inner city lottery based charter school “ at the local public school, 78 percent of the students are black, 12 percent are white, and 72 percent receive free or reduced lunch. At the charter school, 18 percent are black and 68 percent white, with 13 percent eligible for free or reduced lunch. These two schools are supposed to draw from the same neighborhood. But they’re in different worlds.”.

You’re missing the fact that “hard working” kids usually have supportive and available parents. There are highly gifted kids of all races presumably, who fall through the cracks. Yes, many Asians are hard working, but it’s usually do to having overly driven parents. Just admit that it’s the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

Your premise is that a high test score is only because of lucking out in the parental lottery, and you refuse to give any credit to the child for working hard and being motivated, having and expressing interest in academic achievement. But somehow, you believe that a residential lottery will lead to greater equity. Read this to understand how wrong you are https://www.mommyish.com/i-feel-guilty-that-my-daughter-won-the-charter-school-lottery/ . It describes the gradual squeezing out of minorities from an inner city lottery based charter school “ at the local public school, 78 percent of the students are black, 12 percent are white, and 72 percent receive free or reduced lunch. At the charter school, 18 percent are black and 68 percent white, with 13 percent eligible for free or reduced lunch. These two schools are supposed to draw from the same neighborhood. But they’re in different worlds.”.

You’re missing the fact that “hard working” kids usually have supportive and available parents. There are highly gifted kids of all races presumably, who fall through the cracks. Yes, many Asians are hard working, but it’s usually do to having overly driven parents. Just admit that it’s the parents.

Again, you do not understand that Asians are also at a disadvantage. For many Asians, English is a second/third language. Just to to TJ and talk to the parents. Many will have very thick accents. Many will be barely able to understand you. Many will not be able to even come to this forum and voice their opinions. Whites do not understand the disadvantages that Asians have in this society and in this world. Look at the per capita income in India and other countries. You have no idea the poverty some of us have lived through. The drive they have after crossing continents and oceans and in many cases without social safety nets such as extended relatives. How dare you think that one set of minorities are so much more disadvantaged than the other. Again, Asians are 5.6 percent of the population living in a society of grandiose White privilege. They are also discriminated against in college admissions and for management promotions. The lottery's main beneficiaries are Whites. It is perpetuating White privilege. Whites want the STEM space too, as it has dominated the CEO space, Hollywood, and other influential subjective endeavors, such as academia, etc. What is so scary about Asians being good at STEM? Everyone benefits from their efforts - these will be your doctors, scientists, and programmers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

Your premise is that a high test score is only because of lucking out in the parental lottery, and you refuse to give any credit to the child for working hard and being motivated, having and expressing interest in academic achievement. But somehow, you believe that a residential lottery will lead to greater equity. Read this to understand how wrong you are https://www.mommyish.com/i-feel-guilty-that-my-daughter-won-the-charter-school-lottery/ . It describes the gradual squeezing out of minorities from an inner city lottery based charter school “ at the local public school, 78 percent of the students are black, 12 percent are white, and 72 percent receive free or reduced lunch. At the charter school, 18 percent are black and 68 percent white, with 13 percent eligible for free or reduced lunch. These two schools are supposed to draw from the same neighborhood. But they’re in different worlds.”.

You’re missing the fact that “hard working” kids usually have supportive and available parents. There are highly gifted kids of all races presumably, who fall through the cracks. Yes, many Asians are hard working, but it’s usually do to having overly driven parents. Just admit that it’s the parents.

Your point eludes me. It’s a well known fact that the best determinant of a child’s success is how engaged the parent is in that process. Academic success requires parental engagement in their school lives, in celebrating what they do well and equipping them for their future, irrespective of what it costs the parents. Most parents who are thus engaged do so irrespective of how much money they make. This is now classified as a problem? Is the idea to disincentivize parental engagement? https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED496346.pdf

[Anonymous]

You actually convinced me. A race neutral lottery will benefit underperforming white students at the expense of hard working Asian students that would get in if it were a merit system in order to help a few more students from less affluent areas get access to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You actually convinced me. A race neutral lottery will benefit underperforming white students at the expense of hard working Asian students that would get in if it were a merit system in order to help a few more students from less affluent areas get access to TJ.

It will also benefit Asian American students who do and do not attend TJ. BTW

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You actually convinced me. A race neutral lottery will benefit underperforming white students at the expense of hard working Asian students that would get in if it were a merit system in order to help a few more students from less affluent areas get access to TJ.

It will also benefit Asian American students who do and do not attend TJ. BTW

Sorry, but not understanding this post.