Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:It is great FCPS is finally tackling the discrimination against URMs and low-income students at TJ. TJ has a lower FARMS rate than Langley and that alone ought to tell you the school is not admitting kids simply on the basis of merit. It is a classic example of buying access through pay-to-play schemes like Curie, attending the “right” middle schools, etc.

And the gross thing is that so many Asians think that is the natural order of the universe and can’t see past their own money, connections and privilege.

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About time TJ represents the community! Those that feel differently are welcome to go start their own private school. Please do!

Yeah, maybe the Asians who are so unhappy can go rescue Basis McLean. They seem to think everything they touch turns to gold and Basis definitely needs a makeover.

Asians make up 20% of the county and pay taxes so they are entitled to receive public education as well as gifted education just like any other taxpayers in the county. Fcps shot down mindful of this fact when they completely ignore 20% of their constituents.

The SH members who push this racist proposal will be voted out at the next election.

Do you mean the School Board?

No, they won’t. Some Langley parents made the same types of claims last year when they objected to suggestions their boundaries might change and the only incumbents who lost were the two Republicans they supported (Schultz and Wilson). This will be old news by the time the SB is up for re-election in 2023.

Grow up and stop acting like you are the center of the universe.

Say that to BLM. Just like BLM, the crazy response here is proof that Asians are being discriminated against. Wouldn’t you think that Asians would have better things to do? This has hit a nerve. They are trying to root out one of the few means that Asians can survive in this world. When Asians hold high offices, become CEOs, get lead roles in Hollywood films, and there more opportunities for athletic scholarships, then come back and say way at you said. This lottery is helping out the most privileged demographic in this county, country, and the world.

Overwrought nonsense. No one would be denying your kids an education that would pave the path for them to succeed in many fields.

Your dismissiveness is the very definition of not getting it. Think of all the Asians that score higher on SATs, but see their non-Asian get into better schools. Think of all the auditions that rely on the White-centric view of attractiveness. Think of all the promotions that have been missed because Asians are soft-spoken. If you are not Asian, you will never understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Uh no, white families, AA families and Hispanic families prefer schools that are more rounded and are not prep at all cost, cheat at cost pressure cookers. Posters keep saying white
people want to change TJ admissions. They really don't. White families like AA families and Hispanic families would rather their kids have an well rounded high school experience without the pressure cooker environment. Thus the decline in white, AA and Hispanic students. The high achiever white, AA and Hispanic students prefer to go elsewhere and not the TJ at all cost.

Then why is this even an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is great FCPS is finally tackling the discrimination against URMs and low-income students at TJ. TJ has a lower FARMS rate than Langley and that alone ought to tell you the school is not admitting kids simply on the basis of merit. It is a classic example of buying access through pay-to-play schemes like Curie, attending the “right” middle schools, etc.

And the gross thing is that so many Asians think that is the natural order of the universe and can’t see past their own money, connections and privilege.

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About time TJ represents the community! Those that feel differently are welcome to go start their own private school. Please do!

Yeah, maybe the Asians who are so unhappy can go rescue Basis McLean. They seem to think everything they touch turns to gold and Basis definitely needs a makeover.

Asians make up 20% of the county and pay taxes so they are entitled to receive public education as well as gifted education just like any other taxpayers in the county. Fcps shot down mindful of this fact when they completely ignore 20% of their constituents.

The SH members who push this racist proposal will be voted out at the next election.

Do you mean the School Board?

No, they won’t. Some Langley parents made the same types of claims last year when they objected to suggestions their boundaries might change and the only incumbents who lost were the two Republicans they supported (Schultz and Wilson). This will be old news by the time the SB is up for re-election in 2023.

Grow up and stop acting like you are the center of the universe.

If all Asians flip the other direction, it might just make races in NOVA competitive.

Yes. I think Asians make up about 9% of the voters in Virginia.

Asians, while primarily Democratic, do not vote entirely as a block and preserving TJ’s current imbalance would only be the central voting issue for some in local elections in 2023. Anyone who’d cast a vote in a state or national election based on the decision of a local School Board is a fool.

However, repeated efforts to suggest all Asians want to keep TJ 75% Asian very well could lead towards the type of discrimination that a few Asian posters here claim is already happening (in order to advance their arguments against change). History suggests that perceived opportunity hoarding by ethnic minorities in multi-racial societies often leads to major conflict, and this country is already past the “it could never happen here” point.

I think Asians can be united on education issues. We will see how Asians in California vote in November. They just might be united by one cause. The local election is in 2023. By that time, TJ will be effectively destroyed if this racist measure is adopted by all Democratic endorsed school board. Asian voters can make their voices heard in this election when the issue is still hot. I will be that fool unless Brabrand and the board reverse course.

You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

[Anonymous]

Asians need to wake up. Trying to have rational dialogues regarding the racism and discrimination they face will amount to NOTHING.

Get out on the streets, protest, loot, riot, damage businesses, disturb people eating at restaurants, be loud and be angry to get heard.

That is what is rewarded in America and that is how you win allies and sympathizers. Not rational dialogue.

[Anonymous]

Here's another manifestation of it:
https://vtdigger.org/2020/09/25/black-femme-organizers-burn-copies-of-seven-days-newspaper-condemns-authoritarian-behavior-%ef%bb%bf/

[Anonymous]

American Apolo Ohno received death threats and then shared his thoughts on the Koreans' hostile reaction by saying, "I was really bothered by it. I grew up around many Asian cultures, Korean one of them. A lot of my best friends were Korean growing up. I just didn't understand. Later on I realized that was built up by certain people and that was directed at me, negative energy from other things, not even resulting around the sport of speed skating, but around politics, using me to stand on the pedestal as the anti-American sentiment."

[Anonymous]

You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

[Anonymous]

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You frame the issue in a racist sense which is not how most Asians see it. TJ is one of the few places left until now that merit alone largely decides admission or not.

The problem with the word merit is that there are many different ways of determining how to find it. Many seem to think that a high test score demonstrates “merit” while many others point out that a high test score might only demonstrate that someone lucked out in the parental lottery at the moment of birth.

When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students?

Except the test score is only one of many factors considered for admissions under the current system.

[Anonymous]

" When should the lottery take place: at birth or in eighth grade? Which is more fair and gives a better chance to more students? "

Very thought-provoking. Try this. Americans are adverse to foreign languages. Schools like TJ and SHS need top students more than top students need affirmation by school labels. Why don't the parents of the Asian students organize their own Asian-language schools?

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Test scores are bogus on account of test prep which is placing a thumb on the scale. There ought to be a test for screening out test-preppers a priori. Public schooling is at the root of all problem. Leave it up to the parents to educate their kids themselves as the parents see fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test scores are bogus on account of test prep which is placing a thumb on the scale. There ought to be a test for screening out test-preppers a priori. Public schooling is at the root of all problem. Leave it up to the parents to educate their kids themselves as the parents see fit.

Right. Let’s ban all tests.

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" Right. Let’s ban all tests. "

Reinstate the draft and let the drill sergeants sort things out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

Lots of kids from across the community have the drive and ability. What they don’t have is the privilege of tudors and test prep.

+10000 Why do we continue to skirt around this issue? I think we all know the answer to this. Hours of prepping and tutoring doesn’t equal a gifted kid, it only yields a great test taker, not necessarily a great thinker or exceptional student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t want to share the benefits of TJ then just go start your own private segregated school.

The benefits are mostly the student body. Their abilities, their hard work, their dedication, their drive to get there and their their drive to succeed.

How do you share that? You change the student body, you change the benefits.

Turn it into a lottery where you just need to pass Algebra and have a 3.5 gpa to be entered, you get the winning ticket, make the long trek to school every morning and then what? How bad do you want to be there? How much to you want to work to make it? How about your classmates?

Lots of kids from across the community have the drive and ability. What they don’t have is the privilege of tudors and test prep.

If the problem is tutors and test prep, then the solution is making those things accessible and available to all students interested in putting in the work to get in.

See how that works?

Wrong. The privileged will always have resources to provide even more prep than the masses. Always. It’s an arms race. See how that works?

We need to disqualify students who take prep courses. Because of prep courses,we will never have accurate numbers of truly gifted kids. Why is everyone so afraid of eliminating prep courses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Targeting a minority in this country, while helping the majority (White) is discrimination. Period.

Y'all don't seem to get it that whites have been pulling away from TJ for years. Applications are down. When accepted white kids and white families choose to go elsewhere.

Because they don’t want their kid to be in classes with too many Asians. This is a win for them, they can now happily send Johnny and Susie to TJ because they will not have too bee around too many Asians any more.

(Now replace Asian with Black or Muslim and see how that sounds).

Ok, let’s disqualify every student who attends prep courses and see how it plays out.