Zoo Lights Shooting and Violence

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

But is this $50 fine ever enforced? Because it seems like Metro workers just look the other way.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

according to the report the teens that flash robbed a cvs headed straight towards the metro. Doubt they are going to pay fare

[Anonymous]

It's worth it to pay to go to Brookside.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

But is this $50 fine ever enforced? Because it seems like Metro workers just look the other way.

If it is not being enforced, that is a problem with the police and Metro workers, not the Council or the mayor who seem to get the blame.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

but it’s a crime in md and Virginia and they don’t fine fare jumpers in Dc . They get away with it . And the when metro loses enough fare money they’ll raise the price on those who pay the fares

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

I don't know it you are being intentionally obtuse, but they are still subject to a $50 fine A much more likely gateway to crime is getting put into the criminal justice system because you evaded a $2 fare. What do you think the criminal path would be for people like you and me if we ended up in the criminal system because we parked for three hours in a two hour parking space?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

I don't know it you are being intentionally obtuse, but they are still subject to a $50 fine A much more likely gateway to crime is getting put into the criminal justice system because you evaded a $2 fare. What do you think the criminal path would be for people like you and me if we ended up in the criminal system because we parked for three hours in a two hour parking space?

if you decriminalize everything there will be no more crime but a very horrible and dangerous city. How about expect decent civilized behavior ? I actually hope they start violating smoking bans do democrats get rid of those too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who made the remark last night on this thread about "people not from this neighborhood." I only meant to point out the implicit classicism/racism in some of the comments about the shooting. I wasn't endorsing violence. It's terrible that this happened at the Zoo, just as it's terrible when it happens in other areas of the city All.The.Time. It's also terrible that the racism on this thread has only gotten worse and more blatant.

Thank you for this. I"m the person that made the "people not from this neighborhood" quote, and first I'd like to apologize for it, and thank god for anonymity. I often type more quickly and more abbreviated than what I originally intended. Obviously, not from this neighborhood is dog whistle for NIMBY-ism and racism, and that was not remotely the intent.

The phrase was highlighted in my original post, however, the point I was trying to make was actually not about the perpetrators. I was looking beyond this specific incident to the possible ramifications of the incident. I was in no way talking about the specific incident or decrying the incident itself being the cause of people not from here. I was predicting that the ZOO would use this incident to push through some measures they've been advocating for a couple of years. For example, I used to be able to walk through the zoo starting as early as 6 am and lasting into the evening, and a few years ago the Zoo, citing "safety" shortened the hours the zoo was open. Only a very few people took advantage of the open grounds of the zoo at 6 am, and it was a fun place to run in the neighborhood. The zoo wants more permanent fencing and more fewer entry points, with tighter controls. I'll admit, that does make some sense during high traffic times like Zoo lights and Easter. But for the most part, it really only serves as building more walls between the neighborhood and the Zoo. Unlike the majority of the Smithsonian, the Zoo is BOTH a neighborhood AND a national resource.

So, I was aggravated last night that the Zoo would likely take the events of last night and use them to further impose further restrictions that don't actually help prevent things like last night from happening, but that do affect the way the Zoo interacts with neighbors.

I don't know what the solution is. I wish Bowser would speak out more about violence and crime. I know the city is safer than it has been, but I think people from all over should be able to go to the Zoo and have a fun family night.

At the same time, I have a teenager. I'd like it if my teenager could have some freedom and go places with friends. I like that Zoo lights is free and I think the City needs more places where teenagers can hang out and be teens - more events, more spaces, more fun activities. But not teenagers with guns, or not teens that fight, but just more engaging spaces for teens to be teens - safely and legally.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

I don't know it you are being intentionally obtuse, but they are still subject to a $50 fine A much more likely gateway to crime is getting put into the criminal justice system because you evaded a $2 fare. What do you think the criminal path would be for people like you and me if we ended up in the criminal system because we parked for three hours in a two hour parking space?

if you decriminalize everything there will be no more crime but a very horrible and dangerous city. How about expect decent civilized behavior ? I actually hope they start violating smoking bans do democrats get rid of those too

Please explain why you believe fare evasion is so much worse than parking violations or speeding? Would you be willing to support the criminalization of parking and driving violations in return for re-criminalizing fare evasion? Or do you simply think that young people -- most of whom probably are eligible for Kids Ride Free cards anyway -- deserve worse punishments that folks like yourself?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

I don't know it you are being intentionally obtuse, but they are still subject to a $50 fine A much more likely gateway to crime is getting put into the criminal justice system because you evaded a $2 fare. What do you think the criminal path would be for people like you and me if we ended up in the criminal system because we parked for three hours in a two hour parking space?

if you decriminalize everything there will be no more crime but a very horrible and dangerous city. How about expect decent civilized behavior ? I actually hope they start violating smoking bans do democrats get rid of those too

Please explain why you believe fare evasion is so much worse than parking violations or speeding? Would you be willing to support the criminalization of parking and driving violations in return for re-criminalizing fare evasion? Or do you simply think that young people -- most of whom probably are eligible for Kids Ride Free cards anyway -- deserve worse punishments that folks like yourself?

There is a major problem with youth crime and mobs in dc. They get around by fare evasion because either their cards are turned off during school hours or they just don't care. Cut off their capability to freely move around the city and let them feel that petty crime will be punished severely so that they dont casually just attach and shoot people with no reproccusions. Someone needs to declare a state of emergency on dc youth crime, I hope it doesn't have to be the president calling for martial law.

[Anonymous]

Ya know....I just came back from abroad, and the fact that fare evasion is such a pervasive problem speaks volumes about this country.

In other countries, there is almost no security around metros, yet you will almost never, ever see anyone avoiding fares, because it doesn't compute in their brains to steal from the collective good of society and your own country. The US and its citizens have a 3rd world mindset and behavior in many aspects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatincentive does anyone have to actually pay for a metro card? That’s an odd way to govern a city. Broken windows theory ....

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the topic of fare evasion. Previously, this was a criminal activity, which meant that you could go to jail and earn criminal record for doing it. The DC Council decriminalized it. That does not mean that fare evasion is legal, but rather that it is now a civil violation punishable by a $50 fine. So, to answer your question, the incentive to pay for a metro card is to avoid a $50 fine. It is now similar to a parking violation. If you park in a metered space but don't pay for parking, you do not face the possibility of going to jail. Rather, you will likely be ticketed and fined. Notice that nobody posts questions in this forum asking about the incentive for paying for parking.

Fare evasion is the first gateway into the DC youth crime culture. It also is the way these kids get around. They don't have cars and get parking tickets.

I don't know it you are being intentionally obtuse, but they are still subject to a $50 fine A much more likely gateway to crime is getting put into the criminal justice system because you evaded a $2 fare. What do you think the criminal path would be for people like you and me if we ended up in the criminal system because we parked for three hours in a two hour parking space?

if you decriminalize everything there will be no more crime but a very horrible and dangerous city. How about expect decent civilized behavior ? I actually hope they start violating smoking bans do democrats get rid of those too

Please explain why you believe fare evasion is so much worse than parking violations or speeding? Would you be willing to support the criminalization of parking and driving violations in return for re-criminalizing fare evasion? Or do you simply think that young people -- most of whom probably are eligible for Kids Ride Free cards anyway -- deserve worse punishments that folks like yourself?

There is a major problem with youth crime and mobs in dc. They get around by fare evasion because either their cards are turned off during school hours or they just don't care. Cut off their capability to freely move around the city and let them feel that petty crime will be punished severely so that they dont casually just attach and shoot people with no reproccusions. Someone needs to declare a state of emergency on dc youth crime, I hope it doesn't have to be the president calling for martial law.

That’s an idea. I don’t like Trump but I could see him activating the DC national guard. I’ll bet a lot of folks would support that. I would.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP who made the remark last night on this thread about "people not from this neighborhood." I only meant to point out the implicit classicism/racism in some of the comments about the shooting. I wasn't endorsing violence. It's terrible that this happened at the Zoo, just as it's terrible when it happens in other areas of the city All.The.Time. It's also terrible that the racism on this thread has only gotten worse and more blatant.

Thank you for this. I"m the person that made the "people not from this neighborhood" quote, and first I'd like to apologize for it, and thank god for anonymity. I often type more quickly and more abbreviated than what I originally intended. Obviously, not from this neighborhood is dog whistle for NIMBY-ism and racism, and that was not remotely the intent.

The phrase was highlighted in my original post, however, the point I was trying to make was actually not about the perpetrators. I was looking beyond this specific incident to the possible ramifications of the incident. I was in no way talking about the specific incident or decrying the incident itself being the cause of people not from here. I was predicting that the ZOO would use this incident to push through some measures they've been advocating for a couple of years. For example, I used to be able to walk through the zoo starting as early as 6 am and lasting into the evening, and a few years ago the Zoo, citing "safety" shortened the hours the zoo was open. Only a very few people took advantage of the open grounds of the zoo at 6 am, and it was a fun place to run in the neighborhood. The zoo wants more permanent fencing and more fewer entry points, with tighter controls. I'll admit, that does make some sense during high traffic times like Zoo lights and Easter. But for the most part, it really only serves as building more walls between the neighborhood and the Zoo. Unlike the majority of the Smithsonian, the Zoo is BOTH a neighborhood AND a national resource.

So, I was aggravated last night that the Zoo would likely take the events of last night and use them to further impose further restrictions that don't actually help prevent things like last night from happening, but that do affect the way the Zoo interacts with neighbors.

I don't know what the solution is. I wish Bowser would speak out more about violence and crime. I know the city is safer than it has been, but I think people from all over should be able to go to the Zoo and have a fun family night.

At the same time, I have a teenager. I'd like it if my teenager could have some freedom and go places with friends. I like that Zoo lights is free and I think the City needs more places where teenagers can hang out and be teens - more events, more spaces, more fun activities. But not teenagers with guns, or not teens that fight, but just more engaging spaces for teens to be teens - safely and legally.

The zoo should start piping in classical music when open. A number of establishments including some McDonalds in DC, do this because they’ve found that the wrong element hates it and won’t congregate or loiter. It’s worth a shot (no pun intended).