Zoo Lights Shooting and Violence

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love it if the National Park Police and the Metropolitan police utilized aggressive stop and frisk for suspicious persons at zoo events and in the environs of the zoo. It would make things a lot better for the law abiding majority. In NYC, Mayor DiBlasio is being roundly criticized for handcuffing the police, including ending stop and frisk, thus allowing a feral gang of young predators to murder a Barnard student by campus.

Those officers in the units that basically had quotas for frisking didn't like it for obvious reasons. A lot of the NYPD hates Deblasio, so they just want something to complain about (handcuffed, cant do job, etc). Trust me, it is absolutely legal (terry v ohio) and acceptable to pat someone down if you have reasonable suspicion. And if you want aggressive pat downs, you too can and will be pat down.

Not a fan of stop and frisk.
It's legal, yes, but it's biased as shit.
And I don't think people realize how damaging it is for adolescents to be under that type of heavy scrutiny by law enforcement ALL THE TIME.
Especially when they've done nothing wrong but "look suspicious/threatening" i.e. have black skin, which is something that they cannot change.

That type of frequent harassment from authorities is not something you simply shrug off and accept as a part of life. Especially not during formative years.
Most kids of that age are already having a tough enough time as it is going thru all kinds of physical and emotional changes.
Most kids of that age are already struggling with increased expectations and responsibilities while dealing with all kinds of insecurities and uncertainties.
Must be quite daunting to not only deal with those normal difficulties of adolescence but to also carry the burden of being the most hated/targeted person in the country (young black male) around.

Think about it...
Most adolescents are simply struggling to figure out the world around them and trying to find their place in it.
But as a young black male you're being told constantly seemingly everywhere that you go in no uncertain terms by "the powers that be" that your place is up against the wall with your hands behind your head because nobody likes you or trusts you and for all intents and purposes society-at-large seems to be saying that you aren't welcome.
Stop and frisk may make some people feel safer but it doesn't do shit to make vulnerable young adults feel good about themselves or their place in this world.

Exactly. I am all for policing that addresses ACTUAL nuisances and public disorder (like open-air drug dealing, open containers, traffic violations, even littering). Stop and Frisk is lazy and racist policing.

A security checkpoint that checks everyone or a sign-up system for events (so you know who attended disencentivizing mayhem) is not.

[Anonymous]

You don’t need to check grannies or mothers with young kids. But scrutinizing gangs of young thugs is a no-branner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to check grannies or mothers with young kids. But scrutinizing gangs of young thugs is a no-branner.

You make it sound so noble and nondiscriminatory.
Pray tell how does one tell the difference between a gang of young thugs and a group of decent young black males?
Surely you must admit they all look alike so what exactly is the easily discernible aesthetic giveaway that authorities rely on which allows them to effectively shake down only the bad kids of color and avoid unnecessarily harassing the good kids of color?

[Anonymous]

Shake everyone down. Zero issue with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to check grannies or mothers with young kids. But scrutinizing gangs of young thugs is a no-branner.

You make it sound so noble and nondiscriminatory.
Pray tell how does one tell the difference between a gang of young thugs and a group of decent young black males?
Surely you must admit they all look alike so what exactly is the easily discernible aesthetic giveaway that authorities rely on which allows them to effectively shake down only the bad kids of color and avoid unnecessarily harassing the good kids of color?

Manners, demeanor and aggression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love it if the National Park Police and the Metropolitan police utilized aggressive stop and frisk for suspicious persons at zoo events and in the environs of the zoo. It would make things a lot better for the law abiding majority. In NYC, Mayor DiBlasio is being roundly criticized for handcuffing the police, including ending stop and frisk, thus allowing a feral gang of young predators to murder a Barnard student by campus.

Those officers in the units that basically had quotas for frisking didn't like it for obvious reasons. A lot of the NYPD hates Deblasio, so they just want something to complain about (handcuffed, cant do job, etc). Trust me, it is absolutely legal (terry v ohio) and acceptable to pat someone down if you have reasonable suspicion. And if you want aggressive pat downs, you too can and will be pat down.

Not a fan of stop and frisk.
It's legal, yes, but it's biased as shit.
And I don't think people realize how damaging it is for adolescents to be under that type of heavy scrutiny by law enforcement ALL THE TIME.
Especially when they've done nothing wrong but "look suspicious/threatening" i.e. have black skin, which is something that they cannot change.

That type of frequent harassment from authorities is not something you simply shrug off and accept as a part of life. Especially not during formative years.
Most kids of that age are already having a tough enough time as it is going thru all kinds of physical and emotional changes.
Most kids of that age are already struggling with increased expectations and responsibilities while dealing with all kinds of insecurities and uncertainties.
Must be quite daunting to not only deal with those normal difficulties of adolescence but to also carry the burden of being the most hated/targeted person in the country (young black male) around.

Think about it...
Most adolescents are simply struggling to figure out the world around them and trying to find their place in it.
But as a young black male you're being told constantly seemingly everywhere that you go in no uncertain terms by "the powers that be" that your place is up against the wall with your hands behind your head because nobody likes you or trusts you and for all intents and purposes society-at-large seems to be saying that you aren't welcome.
Stop and frisk may make some people feel safer but it doesn't do shit to make vulnerable young adults feel good about themselves or their place in this world.

Exactly. I am all for policing that addresses ACTUAL nuisances and public disorder (like open-air drug dealing, open containers, traffic violations, even littering). Stop and Frisk is lazy and racist policing.

It kind of depends on what you are talking about. If you are talking about supervisors pressuring officers to pat down X number of people, then yes, that will lead to abusing people's rights and pissing people off.

But if you are talking about a police officer doing a terry pat down for justifiable reasons, then there is nothing wrong with that. Because, you know, bad guys carry guns and might try to shoot the police.

[Anonymous]

Ai and machines learning prove that there are certain characteristics that will Result in criminal activities. Cut the PC bs and let computers decide so we can stop pretending these kids are innocent bystanders

[Anonymous]

It's unfortunate that all "teens" seem to get a bad wrap now that this is the description de jour.

[Anonymous]

We can have protective safety measures for DC events like pre registration and bag checks without everyone acting like it's a police state. They do it at the US Capitol , they can do it for Zoo Lights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can have protective safety measures for DC events like pre registration and bag checks without everyone acting like it's a police state. They do it at the US Capitol , they can do it for Zoo Lights.

It’s not remotely necessary to have this level of “protection” at a free outdoor national park, just so a small handful of people who are wildly overestimating the risks of attending feel better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can have protective safety measures for DC events like pre registration and bag checks without everyone acting like it's a police state. They do it at the US Capitol , they can do it for Zoo Lights.

It’s not remotely necessary to have this level of “protection” at a free outdoor national park, just so a small handful of people who are wildly overestimating the risks of attending feel better.

They have this level of protection at free events all over town. The Zoo seems to be running neck to neck with the Capitol in terms of acts of violence. Seems like more security procedures would help. What's your quibble with safety for patrons, many of whom are small chidlren?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ai and machines learning prove that there are certain characteristics that will Result in criminal activities. Cut the PC bs and let computers decide so we can stop pretending these kids are innocent bystanders

You do know that bias is programmed into these systems, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ai and machines learning prove that there are certain characteristics that will Result in criminal activities. Cut the PC bs and let computers decide so we can stop pretending these kids are innocent bystanders

You do know that bias is programmed into these systems, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ai and machines learning prove that there are certain characteristics that will Result in criminal activities. Cut the PC bs and let computers decide so we can stop pretending these kids are innocent bystanders

You do know that bias is programmed into these systems, right?

Who TF cares? What about the “bias” when some group of wilders pushes over baby carriages or loots stores and assaults shopkeepers??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's unfortunate that all "teens" seem to get a bad wrap now that this is the description de jour.

Only those into rap get a bad rap.