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[Anonymous]

MYS was the chosen club prior and now FCV is the chosen club. Scout made the shift. What's the problem with that? LOL LMAO!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

I know! Crazy how DA kids are getting scouted over ECNL kids now.

It's more specific than that. FCV players are being scouted over every other club now that her DD plays there. Before McLean Youth Soccer was scouted over every other club when her DD played there.

No, it is pretty much that simple.

I'm sure it would look better for a US Soccer Scout to have her kid play in ECNL?

She also had the job for a year while her kid was still playing ECNL before the move was made. So after a year of watching DA games she also chose the club/team she felt was best for her kid.

There is nothing nefarious about this at all.

If you think your kid is being overlooked then start with her coach. A email to US Soccer is free and if your coach is valued and trusted then US Soccer will take a look. Otherwise move your DD to a DA. But US Soccer is going to prioritize DA kids over ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

No, you misunderstood. Good kids moved from ECNL to DA. And they should continue to move. THere's nothing wrong with US Soccer wanting to have more control over the NT pool. ECNL doesn't have the rights to the NT pathway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

Getting invited to the VA NTC is not being in the national pool.

[Anonymous]

Regardless of the squabbling here about favoritism (which always exists in all avenues of life and always will), US Soccer doesn't know what they are doing. They are creating less avenues to create talent instead of more. They've created a system of more funneling and less access from the economically challenged player pool. Most winning soccer countries rely upon gritty, poor, pulled up from their bootstraps players to make their national soccer programs great. US Soccer seems to be missing this obvious source of talent. US basketball doesn't miss out on that, and look where we are in that sport (far and away the best in the world - even with other countries catching up a bit).

Anyhow, US Soccer could address by requiring "certified rec" leagues (i.e. those playing under USYS) to have all coaches, even volunteer, complete the grass roots training course. Spend funds on intercity and rural programs, instead of those that don't need the help. Decertify all "US Club" leagues as a part of USSF and force ECNL to go to EDP instead, then control the hierarchy of local, state, regional, and national leagues. Set maximum fee levels (based on local cost of living rates) for participating clubs and leagues. Work with sate high school associations to align HS soccer calendars and align leagues so that HS season allows for low travel soccer participation from HS players from U15 and up. Hence re-energizing HS soccer, culture and community spirit - since its free. Use DA teams as true "best of the best" teams for each major metro region - but no more than 1 team per age per "x" million people. Provide ample "pay for free" opportunities for poorer players that make the DA teams. Then, let promotion / relegation and "champions" style leagues take care of the natural good, better, best players / teams below the DA level. Rogue, competing leagues can try to start up - but unless they agree to be part of an organized USSF/USYS structured hierarchy - they are not certified leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the squabbling here about favoritism (which always exists in all avenues of life and always will), US Soccer doesn't know what they are doing. They are creating less avenues to create talent instead of more. They've created a system of more funneling and less access from the economically challenged player pool. Most winning soccer countries rely upon gritty, poor, pulled up from their bootstraps players to make their national soccer programs great. US Soccer seems to be missing this obvious source of talent. US basketball doesn't miss out on that, and look where we are in that sport (far and away the best in the world - even with other countries catching up a bit).

Anyhow, US Soccer could address by requiring "certified rec" leagues (i.e. those playing under USYS) to have all coaches, even volunteer, complete the grass roots training course. Spend funds on intercity and rural programs, instead of those that don't need the help. Decertify all "US Club" leagues as a part of USSF and force ECNL to go to EDP instead, then control the hierarchy of local, state, regional, and national leagues. Set maximum fee levels (based on local cost of living rates) for participating clubs and leagues. Work with sate high school associations to align HS soccer calendars and align leagues so that HS season allows for low travel soccer participation from HS players from U15 and up. Hence re-energizing HS soccer, culture and community spirit - since its free. Use DA teams as true "best of the best" teams for each major metro region - but no more than 1 team per age per "x" million people. Provide ample "pay for free" opportunities for poorer players that make the DA teams. Then, let promotion / relegation and "champions" style leagues take care of the natural good, better, best players / teams below the DA level. Rogue, competing leagues can try to start up - but unless they agree to be part of an organized USSF/USYS structured hierarchy - they are not certified leagues.

Good God. Not every great player is a poor South American. Not every South American is poor either. The whole of Europe plays soccer and it is just as much a middle class game over there as it is here.

Just lazy, lazy over generalization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

I know! Crazy how DA kids are getting scouted over ECNL kids now.

It's more specific than that. FCV players are being scouted over every other club now that her DD plays there. Before McLean Youth Soccer was scouted over every other club when her DD played there.

No, it is pretty much that simple.

I'm sure it would look better for a US Soccer Scout to have her kid play in ECNL?

She also had the job for a year while her kid was still playing ECNL before the move was made. So after a year of watching DA games she also chose the club/team she felt was best for her kid.

There is nothing nefarious about this at all.

If you think your kid is being overlooked then start with her coach. A email to US Soccer is free and if your coach is valued and trusted then US Soccer will take a look. Otherwise move your DD to a DA. But US Soccer is going to prioritize DA kids over ECNL.

BS. YTC recognizers talented players in ECNL. ECNL is still stronger than DA. FCV and WS would do anything to have ECNL girls and coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

I know! Crazy how DA kids are getting scouted over ECNL kids now.

It's more specific than that. FCV players are being scouted over every other club now that her DD plays there. Before McLean Youth Soccer was scouted over every other club when her DD played there.

No, it is pretty much that simple.

I'm sure it would look better for a US Soccer Scout to have her kid play in ECNL?

She also had the job for a year while her kid was still playing ECNL before the move was made. So after a year of watching DA games she also chose the club/team she felt was best for her kid.

There is nothing nefarious about this at all.

If you think your kid is being overlooked then start with her coach. A email to US Soccer is free and if your coach is valued and trusted then US Soccer will take a look. Otherwise move your DD to a DA. But US Soccer is going to prioritize DA kids over ECNL.

BS. YTC recognizers talented players in ECNL. ECNL is still stronger than DA. FCV and WS would do anything to have ECNL girls and coaches.

Perhaps, but if the scouts are not at the ECNL games then it doesn't really matter.

That is the ultimate card that ECNL does not have.

AND even when those ECNL kids are ID'd they will be strongly encouraged to to play in a DA so that US Soccer can keep tabs on their development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

Getting invited to the VA NTC is not being in the national pool.

Thanks for corrected something that wasn't stated .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

No, you misunderstood. Good kids moved from ECNL to DA. And they should continue to move. THere's nothing wrong with US Soccer wanting to have more control over the NT pool. ECNL doesn't have the rights to the NT pathway.

No I understood completely.
US Soccer is willing to bypass including some of the most talented players in order to impose their model on youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

It’s actually much simpler than that. MYS was the destination club for top elite players back when ECNL was the only game in town. Now with DA, FCV has taken that role, and MYS has diminished.

The scout recognized the shift and moved her kid to DA, because she also wants what’s best for her kid. US Soccer wants top kids to play in DA. A few other top kids moved as well.

Simple and not nefarious. Sorry it doesn’t suit your wants

This is pretty accurate.
US Soccer wants to pull kids from the DAs --- they have a vested interest in this.
It doesn't matter if there are better kids playing in ECNL or elsewhere --- the important thing is that the DA is shown to be the conduit to the YNT.

No, you misunderstood. Good kids moved from ECNL to DA. And they should continue to move. THere's nothing wrong with US Soccer wanting to have more control over the NT pool. ECNL doesn't have the rights to the NT pathway.

No I understood completely.
US Soccer is willing to bypass including some of the most talented players in order to impose their model on youth soccer.

They are at DA games most weekends. That is where the scouts are. Your coach is going to have to go out of their way to get the attention of a scout if your coach feels that YOUR DD is worth a look at or not.

To expect that US Soccer would create an entire league with the soul purpose of scouting and developing potential YNT players why would you expect ECNL to get equal attention?

The message to those potential players is clear at this point, if you want to be seen then you will need to go where you will be seen.

[Anonymous]

LOL

Scouts are at ECNL games all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL

Scouts are at ECNL games all the time.

I guess they just don't like what they see then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters considerably. There are 2 girls from MYS that are now on the US Soccer National Teams from when her DD played at McLean. If she gave advantage to that team then, that would explain why MYS has more players on the YNT than any other club currently. You can debate why but MYS has the most current YNT from this area, that is a fact. Her DD played at MYS when these girls were selected, that is a fact. She was a scout then, that is a fact.

Now the her DD plays for FCV, suddenly FCV players are getting the lions share of invites, including her DD. See a pattern here? It's a major problem of biased invites along with nepotism.

I know! Crazy how DA kids are getting scouted over ECNL kids now.

It's more specific than that. FCV players are being scouted over every other club now that her DD plays there. Before McLean Youth Soccer was scouted over every other club when her DD played there.

No, it is pretty much that simple.

I'm sure it would look better for a US Soccer Scout to have her kid play in ECNL?

She also had the job for a year while her kid was still playing ECNL before the move was made. So after a year of watching DA games she also chose the club/team she felt was best for her kid.

There is nothing nefarious about this at all.

If you think your kid is being overlooked then start with her coach. A email to US Soccer is free and if your coach is valued and trusted then US Soccer will take a look. Otherwise move your DD to a DA. But US Soccer is going to prioritize DA kids over ECNL.

BS. YTC recognizers talented players in ECNL. ECNL is still stronger than DA. FCV and WS would do anything to have ECNL girls and coaches.

LMAO on this one. Stronger then DA? What age groups? These ECNL girls and coaches? What age groups and clubs? This is delusional.