Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)

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Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.

+1 this

+2 We live in a nice bubble compared to those people.

Bubbles burst.

Sure, and if your bubble every bursts, and you find yourself in a situation where you have to choose between your kid joining a gang or being killed, then I'll have sympathy for you.

[Anonymous]

And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

In a perfect world I support legal immigration. In a realistic world, I can see how more pressing concerns for immediate safety of life and health might make legal immigration not an option for some people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

In a perfect world I support legal immigration. In a realistic world, I can see how more pressing concerns for immediate safety of life and health might make legal immigration not an option for some people.

I feel bad for those people. I do not think that means we should invite them here. I think we should help them through foreign and development aid, help broker deals for them to go to other countries (sort of like the EU/Turkey deal, though that one is definitely imperfect), and/or encourage them to move to safer areas within their own country. I think the U.S. government is morally obligated to help its own citizens and to some extent its legal immigrants (who it's accepted/invited here) first. There are always gong to be people fleeing poverty and war and violence, but we can't bring them all here, and it doesn't entitle them to live here without going through the process. And if they're rejected, there are about 190 other countries to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

The second sentence is stupid. The relevant comparison is zero crime (0).

Yes, while Americans do commit crimes at a higher rate than immigrants, due to the constitution of the United States of America, our options in dealing with citizens who commit crimes are limited; we have to accept those citizens within our country. Immigrants don't have nearly as many protections under the constitution and we are not forced to accept or tolerate even a minimal amount of crime from immigrants. Tolerance of crime from immigrants, even at lower rates, is completely discretionary from our country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Mexico started about the same time as US and Canada. So be it. All the people who want to come here don't fit. Let our unemployed citizens work on chicken farms. No benefits unless they work...concept of EITC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Mexico started about the same time as US and Canada. So be it. All the people who want to come here don't fit. Let our unemployed citizens work on chicken farms. No benefits unless they work...concept of EITC.

Length of time a country has existed has nothing to do with the quality of life for citizens of that country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read a quote years ago and I always come back to it on this topic:

"People do not do things to you. They do things for themselves."

They're not coming here to steal your American Dream or that landscaping job you would never deign to work. They're not coming here to gobble up your child's teachers' attention or snatch up those cheap 2 bedroom apartments in which you again would never deign to live.

They are coming here because they have no viable method of survival left in their home country. They can't keep their children safe. They cannot work. Their kids can't get an education. They have no healthcare. You think Mexican immigrants who swim across the river WANT to have to put the lives of their children in the hands of a coyote who may or may not get them to safety? To have them sleep under a desert bush the during the day and then even if they make it here live in constant fear of authority? You think Syrian refugees want to risk their kids' lives on an inflatable raft packed with 200 people or have their kids sleep on the cold ground under a tree in some no mans land between borders?

Seriously, when THAT is your GOOD option, you have my full blessing in doing whatever you can to get your family to safety and security. Be it here or anywhere.

Mexico started about the same time as US and Canada. So be it. All the people who want to come here don't fit. Let our unemployed citizens work on chicken farms. No benefits unless they work...concept of EITC.

Length of time a country has existed has nothing to do with the quality of life for citizens of that country.

Not the PP but you are saying we have wide open borders? Why should only those that sneak in more carefully get to stay. Newsflash: Most countries below have poverty. I think it is pretty rude of them to leave their country and countrymen behind in violence and break a law to sneak into another country. Then expect empathy and handouts. You realize our middle class is already shrinking extremely fast. We are also on our way to be a third world country. Letting everyone come in is ridiculous. Letting those that are the sneakiness in stay is ridiculous. Your comments to try and act empathetic will not help our country become better. There is a law. It needs to be upheld.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

My parents are immigrants. They came legally, paid their fees and waited in line, and became citizens 14 years after they moved here. I could never have a problem with immigration - it's the direct reason I'm here.

I'm a Democrat and think that the hysteria surrounding undocumented immigration is completely overblown and I don't support a wall or anything. But there's a very clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. I think you can absolutely support one and not support the other.

In a perfect world I support legal immigration. In a realistic world, I can see how more pressing concerns for immediate safety of life and health might make legal immigration not an option for some people.

I feel bad for those people. I do not think that means we should invite them here. I think we should help them through foreign and development aid, help broker deals for them to go to other countries (sort of like the EU/Turkey deal, though that one is definitely imperfect), and/or encourage them to move to safer areas within their own country. I think the U.S. government is morally obligated to help its own citizens and to some extent its legal immigrants (who it's accepted/invited here) first. There are always gong to be people fleeing poverty and war and violence, but we can't bring them all here, and it doesn't entitle them to live here without going through the process. And if they're rejected, there are about 190 other countries to choose from.

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[Anonymous]

Let's open up our borders and let EVERYONE who wants to escape poverty, crime and corruption just come here.

SMH at the idiotic liberals thinking.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's open up our borders and let EVERYONE who wants to escape poverty, crime and corruption just come here.

SMH at the idiotic liberals thinking.....

The classic straw man fallacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the more interesting question is who posting on this thread doesn't have a family member that came here at some point in time as an immigrant?

More importantly, first generation immigrants commit violent crimes at a much lower rate than other Americans. I

I am an immigrant and I don't support illegal immigration or anything illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.

+1 this

+2 We live in a nice bubble compared to those people.

Bubbles burst.

Sure, and if your bubble every bursts, and you find yourself in a situation where you have to choose between your kid joining a gang or being killed, then I'll have sympathy for you.

THAT happens here already in the US moron. MS-13 was brought to us by immigrants. Thank you!

But we also have our own grown gang violence in inner cities. Obama's hometown, LA, Baltimore, etc...

[Anonymous]

OP - to answer your question why people support illegal immigration, see who are supporting it. Democrats. Because illegal immigrants and their undocumented children or their US citizen children vote democrats. That's one and only reason why people support any illegal behavior.