Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

? I am stating "facts". Whether you want to feel some sympathy for people is entirely up to your conscience.

I have sympathy for those getting slaughtered in Sudan. I don't have sympathy for those who know there is more money to make in the US and they can sneak in here pretty easily and get it. Sorry.

Well then, you should know that the murder rate in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala is much, much higher than in South Sudan. The murder rate in Honduras is the highest in the world. The majority of people crossing the border these days are not Mexicans, but people fleeing those three countries (which given the murder rate should be consider refugees).

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Anonymous wrote:What angers me the most about illegal immigrants isn't them "taking our jobs" as so many fly-over whites claim, but their lack of respect for our educational system.

I'm a HS teacher. More than half of my students are still classified as ESL students. I'm fluent in Spanish and part of the team that works after school to assist the ESL students with tutoring. Many of the students who do seek help and want to learn/excel, are hindered by their parents. Their parents insist on them getting a job to help support the family. So instead of being able to stay after school for help, they immediately rush out to work (some even two jobs after school) and then come to class the next day without their work done because they didn't have time. The parents don't care. Money is needed to survive here and once you reach working age, THAT should be your goal, not school.

And since their parents speak little to no English, they are unable to assist with homework. Or are unwilling, as one father told me this year. I have another student who is very bright in all of her math courses, but struggles in her basic 9th grade English course. I offered to work one-on-one with her but she said she couldn't because she was responsible for picking up her younger siblings from their after school care before 4 or else her mom got charged a higher fee.

How can you tell me you came here to give your child a better life when you're doing as many things as possible to hinder that child from having a better life?! Sure, teens should have jobs after school, but not multiple jobs so that they get home from work at midnight too exhausted to do homework. And it's fine to help take care of younger siblings, but when it prevents them from attending free tutoring that is needed to pass a class?

I'm a teacher too, and I totally get where you are coming from. The problem is that you don't completely understand where THEY are coming from. To you, the goal is to do well in school, go to a good college, and get a good white collar job someday and live a middle class lifestyle. To them, the goal is to survive another day so they don't have to go back to where they came from. They'd love to do all the things you want them to do, but all that is a luxury they can't afford, and so unimportant in the face of what awaits them back home. Consider for example, how homework compares to having thugs come to your door and threaten your family if you don't pay them, or try to kidnap your child for military service to a warlord, or to work for a drug cartel, or some other kind of gang, or even just to live in a place with no running water, no electricity, and no future hope for even the most modest job no matter how hard you are willing to work. I defend them because I don't see what right any of us have to keep them out. Most of us didn't legally immigrate here - we're just the lucky descendants of other people who managed to come, and I'm sure a lot of us have "illegal" immigrants in our past and don't even know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

+1.

Same here.

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Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?

Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.

I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.

Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.

Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.

It's called having a brain you crying liberal idiot

How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.

You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.

Please, everyone knows that illegal immigrants are a drain on the health care system. It's not like it is a big secret or something.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm

And yet you are still a racist! You can't see it's wrong to make blanket assumptions about an entire race of people?

Nope. You probably pay $25 co-pay for an office visit. Get back to me when you have to pay $150-250 for the very same visit and that's after paying $1000 per month premium. Let's see how open-minded you are when you realize that you are subsidizing everyone else and their five kids.

You're still making assumptions based on people's appearance, so you sound racist and dumb.

This is very true. I'm sure if that PP saw a white person, speaking English who was in the dr's office, they would never think that person might be an illegal Canadian. Oh wait, nevermind, Canadians have free healthcare. But maybe that Canadian came down to the US to get medical care because their system is so terrible.

And they PAY for that care here in the U.S.
Kinda a big difference.
Oh and that most Canadians want zero to do with our country

There are illegal immigrants here from Canada. They "pay" for their care here the same way illegal immigrants from MX do. The difference to that PP is that she would never assume a white person speaking English in that dr's office could possibly be an illegal immigrant as easily as she assumes that a Hispanic person is.

For all she knows, that Hispanic person could be a legal immigrant. That was really the point.

I have a friend - Asian American - married to a white European. Some stupid white lady called that Asian American woman a mail order bride as she was passing by. And the funny part - the Asian American women was born here (as were her parents), and the white man was still in the process of getting his green card.

This is the problem with stereotyping and making dumb ass assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

+1.

Same here.

What do you want to do with your lazy Americans on welfare?

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Brainwashed idiots. There are billions of peasants all over the world the U.S. has the job of providing a home for all of them. Why ? We have our own lower class to care for. We are not the worlds trash can.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

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Same here.

What do you want to do with your lazy Americans on welfare?

Cut off welfare; tell them to move to the farmlands to replace all the illegal immigrants who will be deported. You can get paid around $10/hr.

Or, at least make them contribute to society while on welfare by cleaning up their towns - mow the lawn/rake leaves in public places, pickup trash, wash windows, remove graffitti. Contribute in some way to society.

They did this in a New England for childless welfare recipients, and lo and behold, it reduced the amount of people on welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

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Same here.

What do you want to do with your lazy Americans on welfare?

Cut off welfare; tell them to move to the farmlands to replace all the illegal immigrants who will be deported. You can get paid around $10/hr.

Or, at least make them contribute to society while on welfare by cleaning up their towns - mow the lawn/rake leaves in public places, pickup trash, wash windows, remove graffitti. Contribute in some way to society.

They did this in a New England for childless welfare recipients, and lo and behold, it reduced the amount of people on welfare.

+1. Generational poverty is not good for anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:1) human empathy. These people come here because their economic or political situations are awful. The illegal part isirrelevant to me because there are few options for 'legal' immigration. I care about others and their suffering. I can't emphasize this enough. I'm actually shocked how little empathy our country is exhibiting these days. 2) America is a nation of immigrants. Except for slaves and native Americans we all came here more or less for the same reason, usually with discrimination when we arrived. Pretty awful to slam the door now. 3) immigrants add tremendous value to our culture and economy. (see 2). 4) points made above in other posts ..I'm not interested in ripping apart these poor families.

Why do you not care?

I don't think anyone's arguing points 2 and 3, but please explain why you feel it's ok for some immigrants to arrive - and stay - in the U.S. illegally, while other immigrants are following the proper laws and procedures by waiting years to become lawful citizens? Why do you excuse one group trampling on the backs of the other group?

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Anonymous wrote:Honest response (I'm sort of an immigrant, and have plenty of lots of immediate family, including my generation, that are immigrants):

I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.

Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.

Point well made.

+1
The Irish and Italian immigrants who helped build this country had no social net to fall back on. And they didn't expect one, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest response (I'm sort of an immigrant, and have plenty of lots of immediate family, including my generation, that are immigrants):

I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.

Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.

Point well made.

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The Irish and Italian immigrants who helped build this country had no social net to fall back on. And they didn't expect one, either.

Shouldn't this be applied to all people who live in this country? Americans in previous generations moved to where the jobs were; they didn't expect the government to provide the jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

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Same here.

What do you want to do with your lazy Americans on welfare?

Send them on a lifelong vacation to a much cheaper place, say Liberia or Scotland?

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

Oh good grief. Yes, the Native Americans sharing food with the Europeans was such a similar situation to the one we have today. You can't be serious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honest response (I'm sort of an immigrant, and have plenty of lots of immediate family, including my generation, that are immigrants):

I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.

Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.

Point well made.

+1
The Irish and Italian immigrants who helped build this country had no social net to fall back on. And they didn't expect one, either.

Shouldn't this be applied to all people who live in this country? Americans in previous generations moved to where the jobs were; they didn't expect the government to provide the jobs.

Yes, of course. The point was that historically, immigrants to the U.S. came here not expecting a thing (and not given anything, either). They came to work, and work hard. They didn't arrive here and expect our government to coddle them with handouts and social safety nets.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

Oh good grief. Yes, the Native Americans sharing food with the Europeans was such a similar situation to the one we have today. You can't be serious.

You're right. The Europeans posed a much greater threat to the Native Americans than any immigrant today poses to you.