About time the New York Times exposed the sham marriage [GREAT piece today]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's fair to judge Hillary on her actions in the 90s by the standards we have now.

We're usually much more careful about using a woman's past, especially her sexual past, to discredit her now than we were 20 years ago.*

That being said, if you believe that your political enemies are manufacturing adultery stories in order to ruin your husband's political career, wouldn't it make sense to try to discredit them? I'm not sure what I would have done in her situation.

Bill told Hillary that he hadn't been unfaithful and these women were lying, and she believed him. From the story, it looks like she was on board with trying to show that the women were not telling the truth, but she did not direct the efforts. Later, when she found out Bill had lied to her about affairs, she felt betrayed and had to take stock of her marriage.

* Donald Trump DURING THIS ELECTION has personally used a woman's sexual history in an attempt to discredit her. To my mind this is worse than what Hillary did.

I don't think it's wrong for this issue to be discussed. It's a good issue for feminists to think about, especially feminists who want to be politicians. This was sort of new ground when Clinton was involved in it in the nineties and I think she was in a bit of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

Know what's worse? Donald Trump's lewd and sexist behavior on The Apprentice set. I also think it's nuts that adulterer Donald Trump and his team of sexist adulterous advisors including Guliani and Ailes want to lecture a woman on how to behave when your husband is accused of cheating.

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Mental gymnastics. Liberals are clamoring on about Trump making s comment years ago about a Miss Universe winner. Hillary paraded her around, it was on CNN. So there isn't a time limit in this stuff.

Trump may have said some unflattering things, Bill has raped and assaulted multiple women, and Hillary enables it. Not only enables, it makes the victims worse off silencing them and intimidating them. She's deplorable and so are you for sticking up for her

Oh so you're saying that it was okay for Trump to call Machado Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping in 1996, even though things are different now?

BTW, you lose this argument because Trump doubled down and insulted Machado all over again for this entire last week. In fact he made things even worse by trying to discredit her by casting aspersions on her sexual history. LAST WEEK. A FEW DAYS AGO. Which is exactly what he is accusing Hillary of doing in the nineties, except he is doing it right now. Stay classy, Donald.

PS: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/03/report_donald_trump_sexually_harassed_apprentice_crew_members_contestants.html

Are there any witnesses BESIDE trifling, murder accomplice in venezuela, baby mama to a druglord,and cheating on her fiance with 2 men on a reality show machado and not so truthful clinton to say he DID call her miss piggy or miss housekeeping? Actually all you have to do is look at her NON simulated sex vid on youtube and everyone is calling her "puerca" meaning "PIG" in spanish because they hate her representation. Sad day clinton chooses someone similar to kim k to campaign for her.

didn'thear this old news - ha! You heard it on FOX first.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/09/25/kim-kardashian-endorses-hillary-clinton.html
Kim Kardashian endorses Hillary Clinton

Kim Kardashian stands behind Hillary Clinton.

The 35-year-old reality star took to her app on Friday to publicly endorse the Democratic presidential nominee after reports surfaced that she was "on the fence" about who to vote for.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

So vote for integrity. Is that Trump to you? Think about it.

Did I say I was voting for Trump?

I didn't. In fact, I'm not. Neither candidate is worth my vote.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny to hear all of you proscribing the best way for the first presidential female nominee of a major party to fight the patriarchy. She's been a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state, a mom, a wife, a lawyer, and an inspiration to many women and kids. (My own kid has her children's book.)

I thought we were trying to let one another choose what to do with our bodies and our romantic lives and our careers these days instead of mandating the correct One Way for each other. No? Not when it comes to women who might be president, I guess. Go figure.

It has nothing to do with their NON-romantic lives - and everything to do with 1) his abuse of power and 2) how she treated his victims. I said it earlier; she's a caged animal with all of the means to escape. But she refused to to give up HIS fame, which ultimately placed her in the role of candidate.

I have more respect for Huma, and the loser Weine - until recently - was sexting. He wasn't screwing women with cigars. Nor - to my knowledge - was he cavorting with known and convicted pedophiles like Jeffrey Epstein.

How can you OVERLOOK that? Epstein donated to the Clinton Foundation. He had an entire sex ring of pre-teen girls. Trump's in this camp, too. I'm an equal opportunity basher in this election.

So you tell me how Hillary and Bill - parents of a young woman and now grandparents - could have spent their leisure time with such a sicko AND taken money (gobs of it) from him. And That relationship directly pulled in Hillary. Never mind the cigar days - This one padded her pocket.

But go and fool yourself into thinking she's a role model for women - accomplished AND ethical. yeah - not in this case, accomplished maybe

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

So you've been around long enough to know that everyone's situation is different and women make painful decisions in the best interest of their family all the time. So now women who don't leave their cheating husbands lack integrity? Don't be so judgemental, HON.

I'll be judgmental in these cases - in cases where women have the means and stability to get the fuck out - and those who don't who are smart enough to rely on friends to help them out. We rallied around a friend who left her abusive husband. We watched her children, helped her move, helped her find a place in the same school cluster, fed her meals, scheduled play dates with the kids.

You're telling me that Hillary CHOSE to stay with Bill b/c it was in the best interest of their family? that having a husband screwing around on you MULTIPLE times is a good for your daughter?

Yes, I'm judgmental in this case.

She has a law degree. She practiced law. She supported healthcare reform before Obama hit the presidential seat. She was Secretary of State. Need I go on? YET . . . YET she stayed with a man who only humiliated her again and again.

And we know why. She simply has no ethical bone in her body.

But that's OK b/c she's smarter than Trump and lies less than he does.

You go, Women's Advocate Poster! Whether you have a penis or vagina, you should be held up to the same standards. I'm not cutting any woman slack.

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Wow, the crazy started at 3:50 am. Donald, did Kelly Anne take away your twitter?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has no soul, and in fact, a egolomaniac narcissist; his foundation is a joke and a lie, and his life is based on scams and cheating. Tit for tat.

Agree. But nobody ever died because of Trump's actions. Not rewarding the Clinton crime family with another 4 years.

How do you know this? Trump's cheating and lying destroyed many families financial lives. You have no idea how this may have impacted them mentally. I wouldn't doubt there might be some suicides out there when threatened on losing everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

So you've been around long enough to know that everyone's situation is different and women make painful decisions in the best interest of their family all the time. So now women who don't leave their cheating husbands lack integrity? Don't be so judgemental, HON.

I'll be judgmental in these cases - in cases where women have the means and stability to get the fuck out - and those who don't who are smart enough to rely on friends to help them out. We rallied around a friend who left her abusive husband. We watched her children, helped her move, helped her find a place in the same school cluster, fed her meals, scheduled play dates with the kids.

You're telling me that Hillary CHOSE to stay with Bill b/c it was in the best interest of their family? that having a husband screwing around on you MULTIPLE times is a good for your daughter?

Yes, I'm judgmental in this case.

She has a law degree. She practiced law. She supported healthcare reform before Obama hit the presidential seat. She was Secretary of State. Need I go on? YET . . . YET she stayed with a man who only humiliated her again and again.

And we know why. She simply has no ethical bone in her body.

But that's OK b/c she's smarter than Trump and lies less than he does.

You go, Women's Advocate Poster! Whether you have a penis or vagina, you should be held up to the same standards. I'm not cutting any woman slack.

What water are YOU walking on? How wonderful that you are your friends were able to go into your pocket, help raise your friends' kids, etc. This is not some overnight situation. It takes time and MONEY and most of us just don't have it.

I take huge issues with people like you walking water with the attitude of 'why don't they just do what I would do?' It's not about YOU and YOU don't know a person's situation. I get sick of people like you who tell others what they should do because that's what YOU would do. Until you've walked in their shoes, sit down and shut the eff up.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

So you've been around long enough to know that everyone's situation is different and women make painful decisions in the best interest of their family all the time. So now women who don't leave their cheating husbands lack integrity? Don't be so judgemental, HON.

I'll be judgmental in these cases - in cases where women have the means and stability to get the fuck out - and those who don't who are smart enough to rely on friends to help them out. We rallied around a friend who left her abusive husband. We watched her children, helped her move, helped her find a place in the same school cluster, fed her meals, scheduled play dates with the kids.

You're telling me that Hillary CHOSE to stay with Bill b/c it was in the best interest of their family? that having a husband screwing around on you MULTIPLE times is a good for your daughter?

Yes, I'm judgmental in this case.

She has a law degree. She practiced law. She supported healthcare reform before Obama hit the presidential seat. She was Secretary of State. Need I go on? YET . . . YET she stayed with a man who only humiliated her again and again.

And we know why. She simply has no ethical bone in her body.

But that's OK b/c she's smarter than Trump and lies less than he does.

You go, Women's Advocate Poster! Whether you have a penis or vagina, you should be held up to the same standards. I'm not cutting any woman slack.

And Trump's three wives stayed/stay because he was a beacon of virtue and emotionally intelligent? This from a man who says "vagina is expensive."

And you think Trump's present wife stays with a misogynistic bully because she's madly in love though he keeps a photo of Marla Maples in a bikini on this desk? YET....YET Melania stays with a man who certainly eyeballs other women unapologetically. Dare I say it.....stay and play for MONEY?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny to hear all of you proscribing the best way for the first presidential female nominee of a major party to fight the patriarchy. She's been a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state, a mom, a wife, a lawyer, and an inspiration to many women and kids. (My own kid has her children's book.)

I thought we were trying to let one another choose what to do with our bodies and our romantic lives and our careers these days instead of mandating the correct One Way for each other. No? Not when it comes to women who might be president, I guess. Go figure.

Lol. Bullshit. The only woman buying Hillary's book for their kid is Huma.

Au contraire! I bought this Clinton story book after my kid was first born, long after she had lost the primary to Obama, to let her know that women could fight for principles and could run for president. It's quite a good book, actually -- the watercolers are lovely.



But I must say, in terms of children's books that give a true picture of the person for running for president, Michael Ian Black's "A Child's First Book of Trump" probably beats the Clinton book.

Interesting... so you laugh at a book to teach your child to tease and bully others? What a nice mom you are! A new generation of violent raging pitbull liberals awaits us!

Tim Kaine must be their bully trainer.

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Nah, sorry, if you're pro-Trump you forfeit your right to complain about bullying. If you really cared about bullying you wouldn't be voting for someone who regularly encourages others to join him in making fun of and/or demonizing minorities, the handicapped, the underrepresented, the ones who are "different."

If that's your guy, you can't get mad over a book with a little orange furry headed potato in it. Well you *can*, but it just makes you look ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

So you've been around long enough to know that everyone's situation is different and women make painful decisions in the best interest of their family all the time. So now women who don't leave their cheating husbands lack integrity? Don't be so judgemental, HON.

I'll be judgmental in these cases - in cases where women have the means and stability to get the fuck out - and those who don't who are smart enough to rely on friends to help them out. We rallied around a friend who left her abusive husband. We watched her children, helped her move, helped her find a place in the same school cluster, fed her meals, scheduled play dates with the kids.

You're telling me that Hillary CHOSE to stay with Bill b/c it was in the best interest of their family? that having a husband screwing around on you MULTIPLE times is a good for your daughter?

Yes, I'm judgmental in this case.

She has a law degree. She practiced law. She supported healthcare reform before Obama hit the presidential seat. She was Secretary of State. Need I go on? YET . . . YET she stayed with a man who only humiliated her again and again.

And we know why. She simply has no ethical bone in her body.

But that's OK b/c she's smarter than Trump and lies less than he does.

You go, Women's Advocate Poster! Whether you have a penis or vagina, you should be held up to the same standards. I'm not cutting any woman slack.

And Trump's three wives stayed/stay because he was a beacon of virtue and emotionally intelligent? This from a man who says "vagina is expensive."

And you think Trump's present wife stays with a misogynistic bully because she's madly in love though he keeps a photo of Marla Maples in a bikini on this desk? YET....YET Melania stays with a man who certainly eyeballs other women unapologetically. Dare I say it.....stay and play for MONEY?

Did I say I supported Trump? This was about Hillary's marriage and what a joke it is. I suppose you can't take criticism of your number 1 candidate, but as a woman myself, I believe she's fair game. She lacks judgment to claim she's a true feminist. She had plenty of opportunities to forge ahead w/o her husband. plenty! But she chose to stay with him b/c his fame assisted her.

So you want me to rip into Melania, too? why? Does she have half of Hillary's credentials? Why would I put her up against a woman who was SOS? But fine - I'll so it. Yes, Melania is with Donald b/c of the money, and if she leaves him at this point, who knows what she'll get? Furthermore, how will she make it on her own? modeling? b/c she's certainly not a scholar

So who's more of a victim in this case? Melania - although she might not realize it

Hillary is no victim - never has been. She chose to remain in a relationship with a man who traveled numerous times with a convicted pedophile. She CHOSE to take money from this very same man who allowed 12 yo girls to be raped. She is no advocate for women - and certainly no advocate for children.

I simply cannot understand how any woman - mother or not - can support Hillary. She took money from a man who recruited young girls for his sex fests. How does ANYONE overlook that? It's beyond sickening, and for as sick as she is, those of you who supporter this enabler are even sicker.

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We have actual problems, people. Terrorism, global warming, failing infrastructure, an educational system than needs major help, not to mention our collective goals of curing cancer and fighting deadly contagious diseases. Given that, I truly cannot fathom how any sane, intelligent person could give a flip about the candidates marriages.

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Since when are mistresses "victims"?

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Straw man argument, eh?

I believe the argument is that Hillary Clinton is a hypocritical b*tch who promoted feminism while privately doing everything she could to discredit women who stood in her (and Bill's) political ambitions, contrary to the values of feminism she was supposed to promote (which included destroying the "old boys club" and "boys will be boys" mentality that Bill Clinton operated under regarding his sexual libido).

Clinton is a self-serving hypocrite, but I suppose almost all politicians are to a degree.

Anonymous wrote:We have actual problems, people. Terrorism, global warming, failing infrastructure, an educational system than needs major help, not to mention our collective goals of curing cancer and fighting deadly contagious diseases. Given that, I truly cannot fathom how any sane, intelligent person could give a flip about the candidates marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:Straw man argument, eh?

I believe the argument is that Hillary Clinton is a hypocritical b*tch who promoted feminism while privately doing everything she could to discredit women who stood in her (and Bill's) political ambitions, contrary to the values of feminism she was supposed to promote (which included destroying the "old boys club" and "boys will be boys" mentality that Bill Clinton operated under regarding his sexual libido).

Clinton is a self-serving hypocrite, but I suppose almost all politicians are to a degree.

Anonymous wrote:We have actual problems, people. Terrorism, global warming, failing infrastructure, an educational system than needs major help, not to mention our collective goals of curing cancer and fighting deadly contagious diseases. Given that, I truly cannot fathom how any sane, intelligent person could give a flip about the candidates marriages.

Not a straw man argument at all. But you do seem insane.