Please gun supporters - explain to me once and for all why you need an automatic weapon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting...

The AR-15 "was designed for the United States military to do to enemies of war exactly what it did this morning: kill mass numbers of people with maximum efficiency and ease. That is why the AR-15 has remained the weapon of choice for the United States military for over 50 years," lawyer Josh Koskoff said in a statement. "It is the gold standard for killing the enemy in battle, just as it has become the gold standard for mass murder of innocent civilians."

Semi-automatic weapons like the AR-15 were, at one time, banned nationwide. The 1994 federal assault weapons ban prohibited most versions of the rifle from being sold in the U.S. The gun re-entered circulation after Congress allowed the ban to expire in 2004. Subsequent efforts to renew the ban, or create other legislation that would limit assault weapons, have been unsuccessful.



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You're quoting Rolling Stone. And again showing why Rolling Stine and its penchant for inventing stories is just a trash rag.

The AR-15 is the civilian (read NOT automatic) variant of the M-16 (which is the standard US military infantry weapon. It is a .22 caliber rifle. A smaller round than that .38 Special.

You mean, it's semi-automatic? Did you even read the quote? It clearly states it was semi-automatic. AND it was originally designed as a MILITARY rifle. As reported by many sources, not just Rolling Stone.

[Anonymous]

Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/13/the-history-of-the-ar-15-the-weapon-that-had-a-hand-in-americas-worst-mass-shooting/

[Anonymous]

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You mean, it's semi-automatic? Did you even read the quote? It clearly states it was semi-automatic. AND it was originally designed as a MILITARY rifle. As reported by many sources, not just Rolling Stone.

An M16 has three modes of firing (semi-automatic, burst, and full-automatic). An AR-15 is only capable of semi-automatic firing. Many, many hunting rifles are semi-automatic. And many other action types like lever and pump can can come close to firing as fast with training.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

B.S.

This "semiautomatic assault weapon" was considered lethal enough to be banned for 10 years in the US.

They also ban certain handle grips - the regulators aren't very knowledgeable about the weapons themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

Pretty sure most of the things you want are happening right now, and that loads of people in this thread are saying to take away guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

Pretty sure most of the things you want are happening right now, and that loads of people in this thread are saying to take away guns.

Most guns/gun owners are registered and licensed?!

I do say take away the guns if the gun fanatics can't find a way to manage them properly. Fix it or lose them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

Pretty sure most of the things you want are happening right now, and that loads of people in this thread are saying to take away guns.

Most guns/gun owners are registered and licensed?!

I do say take away the guns if the gun fanatics can't find a way to manage them properly. Fix it or lose them.

That can't seriously be your point. So if chronic pain patients don't "fix" the heroin epidemic, prescription meds go away? If too many women use abortion as a form of birth control and the pro-choice people don't "fix it," abortion does away? Since when is it up to the responsible population that you label wholesale as "fanatics" to "fix" the problem.

To be honest, your kind of rhetoric is the reason WHY people can't agree to more common sense measures. I can't imagine why responsible owners wouldn't want to engage with people who think they are all "lunatics" or "fanatics."

And, no, I'm not a gun owner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

Pretty sure most of the things you want are happening right now, and that loads of people in this thread are saying to take away guns.

Most guns/gun owners are registered and licensed?!

I do say take away the guns if the gun fanatics can't find a way to manage them properly. Fix it or lose them.

That can't seriously be your point. So if chronic pain patients don't "fix" the heroin epidemic, prescription meds go away? If too many women use abortion as a form of birth control and the pro-choice people don't "fix it," abortion does away? Since when is it up to the responsible population that you label wholesale as "fanatics" to "fix" the problem.

To be honest, your kind of rhetoric is the reason WHY people can't agree to more common sense measures. I can't imagine why responsible owners wouldn't want to engage with people who think they are all "lunatics" or "fanatics."

And, no, I'm not a gun owner.

Yeah, but the burden should be on those who want to own these dangerous weapons to justify their continued availability, not the other way around. The gun control part of the argument is obvious: people use them to kill scores of innocent people at a time, including children. What's the argument against making sure everyone who buys a gun has a background check first, even if they buy it at a gun show? What's the argument against limiting access to military weapons? Put your answer on one side of the scale and weigh it against just this year's casualties from mass shootings. If it doesn't outweigh those people's lives then it isn't enough. "I don't want to engage with them" doesn't cut it.

And actually, most people DO agree with the above measures, but they don't care enough to make their elected representatives enact them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK morons, for the thousandth time, every AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon".

Why do you "need" a BMW or a Mercedes?

You don't. You want it. Other people want AR-15s. It's called freedom.

there are so many sick, selfish people on here.

And you should be allowed to have it, but only if you are REGISTERED and LICENSED, in the same way you have to register your car and be licensed to drive. And you shouldn't be allowed to sell it privately to any fuck who walks in off the street without a background check. This is COMMON FUCKING SENSE, and saves lives. No one wants to take your guns. But we want to make sure you aren't too god damned stupid to handle it, and be able to hold you accountable if it falls into the wrong hands for any reason other than theft. It's really not hard to understand if you are not a selfish piece of shit who cares about anyone other than yourself.

Pretty sure most of the things you want are happening right now, and that loads of people in this thread are saying to take away guns.

Most guns/gun owners are registered and licensed?!

I do say take away the guns if the gun fanatics can't find a way to manage them properly. Fix it or lose them.

That can't seriously be your point. So if chronic pain patients don't "fix" the heroin epidemic, prescription meds go away? If too many women use abortion as a form of birth control and the pro-choice people don't "fix it," abortion does away? Since when is it up to the responsible population that you label wholesale as "fanatics" to "fix" the problem.

To be honest, your kind of rhetoric is the reason WHY people can't agree to more common sense measures. I can't imagine why responsible owners wouldn't want to engage with people who think they are all "lunatics" or "fanatics."

And, no, I'm not a gun owner.

Your analogies aren't relevant. At all. Instead of tearing every gun control idea down, they, as "responsible" citizens insisting that they really need their guns, should be stepping it up to truly make this a safer world. Don't like these suggestions? Ok - find one that works. Otherwise there will be a huge backlash and they might lose even more.

And so sorry to hurt their feelings. Those poor little gun owners. Who put their selfish WANTS over the lives of others. Boo hoo. Sorry - there has to be some level of fanaticism there for them to dig their heels so much. Maybe lunacy too - although I didn't use that term.

Agree with PP - let's treat guns like cars. Register, license, test, etc. Seems very reasonable. No?

[Anonymous]

Mass shootings - gun manufacturers and gun stores must LOVE them:

Stocks and sales are up.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/13/investing/gun-stocks-smith-wesson-sturm-ruger-orlando-shooting-pulse/index.html?sr=fbCNN061316gun-stocks-smith-wesson-sturm-ruger-orlando-shooting-pulse1131AMStory

Classy, gun owners. Classy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't need my guns to "feel safe" or "powerful" so fuck off.

You must be a woman.

History shows us that MEN with semi automatic weapons kill.

Men should not be permitted to own guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't need my guns to "feel safe" or "powerful" so fuck off.

You must be a woman.

History shows us that MEN with semi automatic weapons kill.

Men should not be permitted to own guns.

Love this. Problem solved. Only women are allowed to have guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You realize that an AR-15 is not a full auto weapon, right?

And this makes a difference? Could the shooter have killed even more people with an automatic weapon?

I understand that gun owners wish to protect their constitutionally protected right to bear arms, but wouldn't be in the interest of the general good for gun owners to forego ownership of assault weapons and any other type of semi-automatic weapon to prevent maniacs from getting their hands on these weapons and using them on Americans? Perhaps gun owners who wish to own and shoot such weapons could do so only in restricted areas like gun clubs or licensed shooting ranges where the weapons would be licensed and locked up away from crazy people like the Orlando shooter.

The gun lobby opposes any restrictions on guns because the manufacturers want to sell more guns.

Money is more important than American lives to the NRA and its supporters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

+1. This is an attempt to get the low-infos on board to ban a gun that they know nothing about so the gun-grabbers can later make the argument that all semis are actually just like the banned AK and should be banned as well.

OK, so explain how a handgun could do as much damage as an assault rifle in the same amount of time?

Jesus Christ. NOTICE ALL DCUM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. PLEASE READ A WIKI PAGE ABOUT HOW GUNS WORK.

This has been explained numerous times on several threads here. There is no difference between semi handguns and semi long guns. The AK looks like a machine gun, but it's actually not. Large capacity magazines can be bought for either. Some states restrict the number of rounds in a magazine. Regardless of this, empty magazines can be quickly swapped out with new, full ones, with a little practice. A 9mm Beretta handgun can accept a 33 round magazine and then re-loaded an unlimited amount of times. Also it would probably be more convenient for a shooter to have two semi handguns rather than a bulky AK. Easier to shoot someone a t short range with a handgun also. (This is why cops carry handguns and not AKs).

Whatever blah blah blah who cares!? What we are saying is we don't want any guns that can shoot as many bullets as I just heard in the snap chat video from Pulse club! Watch the video. Bang bang bang it all you can hear one after the other and very close together. We should not have any guns that have this capacity on the streets - it that means getting rid of more than Ak 15s than so be it. I guess I can also understand the other side of the argument though is they are worried that if law abiding citizens get rid of their assault rifles and the "bad guys" don't get rid of theirs then that's a problem. We would have to figure out how to enforce it and I think pro gun folks are worried there will be an underground black market for these items if they become illegal and they may be right. We need to figure out how to enforce a ban.