Please gun supporters - explain to me once and for all why you need an automatic weapon

[Anonymous]

Oh...white people and their guns...
we are not living in the early 1900's anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

+1. This is an attempt to get the low-infos on board to ban a gun that they know nothing about so the gun-grabbers can later make the argument that all semis are actually just like the banned AK and should be banned as well.

OK, so explain how a handgun could do as much damage as an assault rifle in the same amount of time?

Jesus Christ. NOTICE ALL DCUM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. PLEASE READ A WIKI PAGE ABOUT HOW GUNS WORK.

This has been explained numerous times on several threads here. There is no difference between semi handguns and semi long guns. The AK looks like a machine gun, but it's actually not. Large capacity magazines can be bought for either. Some states restrict the number of rounds in a magazine. Regardless of this, empty magazines can be quickly swapped out with new, full ones, with a little practice. A 9mm Beretta handgun can accept a 33 round magazine and then re-loaded an unlimited amount of times. Also it would probably be more convenient for a shooter to have two semi handguns rather than a bulky AK. Easier to shoot someone a t short range with a handgun also. (This is why cops carry handguns and not AKs).

Whatever blah blah blah who cares!? What we are saying is we don't want any guns that can shoot as many bullets as I just heard in the snap chat video from Pulse club! Watch the video. Bang bang bang it all you can hear one after the other and very close together. We should not have any guns that have this capacity on the streets - it that means getting rid of more than Ak 15s than so be it. I guess I can also understand the other side of the argument though is they are worried that if law abiding citizens get rid of their assault rifles and the "bad guys" don't get rid of theirs then that's a problem. We would have to figure out how to enforce it and I think pro gun folks are worried there will be an underground black market for these items if they become illegal and they may be right. We need to figure out how to enforce a ban.

OK - I'll cut through the "blah blah blah." PP is saying that even little handguns could go "bang bang bang very close together." Rifles, AR-15s, handguns, etc. You would have to ban the vast majority, if not all, effective weapons to ban "bang bang bang" guns. And there already is an underground black market for guns for those people who can't get them legally. This is not a hypothetical concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh...white people and their guns...
we are not living in the early 1900's anymore.

Good thing there isn't a gun violence problem in minority communities...

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/21/the-racial-divide-on-gun-deaths-in-america/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

+1. This is an attempt to get the low-infos on board to ban a gun that they know nothing about so the gun-grabbers can later make the argument that all semis are actually just like the banned AK and should be banned as well.

OK, so explain how a handgun could do as much damage as an assault rifle in the same amount of time?

Jesus Christ. NOTICE ALL DCUM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. PLEASE READ A WIKI PAGE ABOUT HOW GUNS WORK.

This has been explained numerous times on several threads here. There is no difference between semi handguns and semi long guns. The AK looks like a machine gun, but it's actually not. Large capacity magazines can be bought for either. Some states restrict the number of rounds in a magazine. Regardless of this, empty magazines can be quickly swapped out with new, full ones, with a little practice. A 9mm Beretta handgun can accept a 33 round magazine and then re-loaded an unlimited amount of times. Also it would probably be more convenient for a shooter to have two semi handguns rather than a bulky AK. Easier to shoot someone a t short range with a handgun also. (This is why cops carry handguns and not AKs).

Whatever blah blah blah who cares!? What we are saying is we don't want any guns that can shoot as many bullets as I just heard in the snap chat video from Pulse club! Watch the video. Bang bang bang it all you can hear one after the other and very close together. We should not have any guns that have this capacity on the streets - it that means getting rid of more than Ak 15s than so be it. I guess I can also understand the other side of the argument though is they are worried that if law abiding citizens get rid of their assault rifles and the "bad guys" don't get rid of theirs then that's a problem. We would have to figure out how to enforce it and I think pro gun folks are worried there will be an underground black market for these items if they become illegal and they may be right. We need to figure out how to enforce a ban.

OK - I'll cut through the "blah blah blah." PP is saying that even little handguns could go "bang bang bang very close together." Rifles, AR-15s, handguns, etc. You would have to ban the vast majority, if not all, effective weapons to ban "bang bang bang" guns. And there already is an underground black market for guns for those people who can't get them legally. This is not a hypothetical concern.

Handguns have to be reloaded though after less bullets, correct? Ar15s can shoot hundreds of billets without being reloaded, correct?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

+1. This is an attempt to get the low-infos on board to ban a gun that they know nothing about so the gun-grabbers can later make the argument that all semis are actually just like the banned AK and should be banned as well.

OK, so explain how a handgun could do as much damage as an assault rifle in the same amount of time?

Jesus Christ. NOTICE ALL DCUM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. PLEASE READ A WIKI PAGE ABOUT HOW GUNS WORK.

This has been explained numerous times on several threads here. There is no difference between semi handguns and semi long guns. The AK looks like a machine gun, but it's actually not. Large capacity magazines can be bought for either. Some states restrict the number of rounds in a magazine. Regardless of this, empty magazines can be quickly swapped out with new, full ones, with a little practice. A 9mm Beretta handgun can accept a 33 round magazine and then re-loaded an unlimited amount of times. Also it would probably be more convenient for a shooter to have two semi handguns rather than a bulky AK. Easier to shoot someone a t short range with a handgun also. (This is why cops carry handguns and not AKs).

Whatever blah blah blah who cares!? What we are saying is we don't want any guns that can shoot as many bullets as I just heard in the snap chat video from Pulse club! Watch the video. Bang bang bang it all you can hear one after the other and very close together. We should not have any guns that have this capacity on the streets - it that means getting rid of more than Ak 15s than so be it. I guess I can also understand the other side of the argument though is they are worried that if law abiding citizens get rid of their assault rifles and the "bad guys" don't get rid of theirs then that's a problem. We would have to figure out how to enforce it and I think pro gun folks are worried there will be an underground black market for these items if they become illegal and they may be right. We need to figure out how to enforce a ban.

OK - I'll cut through the "blah blah blah." PP is saying that even little handguns could go "bang bang bang very close together." Rifles, AR-15s, handguns, etc. You would have to ban the vast majority, if not all, effective weapons to ban "bang bang bang" guns. And there already is an underground black market for guns for those people who can't get them legally. This is not a hypothetical concern.

Handguns have to be reloaded though after less bullets, correct? Ar15s can shoot hundreds of billets without being reloaded, correct?

Our ARs and our handguns use the same capacity magazines. Sorry to disappoint.

[Anonymous]

And to clarify, we're not talking "hundreds" of rounds at a time. More like 20.

[Anonymous]

An AR-15 magazine holds 30 rounds. There are many handguns with similar capacity. But even handguns with 1/2 that capacity can be reloaded quicker than an AR. Its actually significantly easier to reload a handgun than an AR. It's also easier to conceal. The AR just looks and sounds scarier. Be very thankful USPSA open pistol competition shooters are law abiding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh...white people and their guns...
we are not living in the early 1900's anymore.

Good thing there isn't a gun violence problem in minority communities...

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/21/the-racial-divide-on-gun-deaths-in-america/

That's exactly why : ) All the old white men in Senate love their guns. We can make up every excuse in the book to keep our prized possessions.

"Pew found that gun ownership is concentrated among older adults, rural residents, and whites, especially white Southerners. Whites in the South are more likely to own guns than whites in other regions"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-the-key-things-to-know-about-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:750 to 900 rounds per minute. Why on earth should this not be highly regulated at a minimum? Why was some random person allowed to buy one on a Wednesday, so he could shoot up a club on a Saturday?

I honestly do not understand the gun owners vitriol here on this thread and elsewhere. That this sort of weapon is allowed to be owned by just about anyone in this country is the absolute height of insanity.

700-900 rounds/minute is the full-auto version which is not sold to civilians. Semi-automatic AR-15s for sale to civilians are internally different from the full automatic M16, although nearly identical in external appearance. The hammer and trigger mechanisms are of a different design. The bolt carrier and internal lower receiver of semi-automatic versions are milled differently, so that the firing mechanisms are not interchangeable. The design changes were done to satisfy United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) requirements that civilian weapons may not be easily convertible to full-automatic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You realize that an AR-15 is not a full auto weapon, right?

And this makes a difference? Could the shooter have killed even more people with an automatic weapon?

I understand that gun owners wish to protect their constitutionally protected right to bear arms, but wouldn't be in the interest of the general good for gun owners to forego ownership of assault weapons and any other type of semi-automatic weapon to prevent maniacs from getting their hands on these weapons and using them on Americans? Perhaps gun owners who wish to own and shoot such weapons could do so only in restricted areas like gun clubs or licensed shooting ranges where the weapons would be licensed and locked up away from crazy people like the Orlando shooter.

The gun lobby opposes any restrictions on guns because the manufacturers want to sell more guns.

Money is more important than American lives to the NRA and its supporters.

Perhaps you would like to exercise your First Amendment rights only in restricted areas?

Is the path you want to go down?

[Anonymous]

And the killing continues today in West Virginia with three more dead (over a firewood dispute apparently). Message from America; thoughts and prayers not working, please send gun legislation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-hunt-gunman-opened-fire-w-va-state-park-article-1.2672447

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An AR-15 is not automatic, is not a machine gun, and is not an "assault rifle." It works just like any hunting rifle but fires a smaller bullet than most. The tragedy in Orlando could have been accomplished with just about any gun, and banning the AR-15 because it looks scary won't change a thing.

+1. This is an attempt to get the low-infos on board to ban a gun that they know nothing about so the gun-grabbers can later make the argument that all semis are actually just like the banned AK and should be banned as well.

OK, so explain how a handgun could do as much damage as an assault rifle in the same amount of time?

Jesus Christ. NOTICE ALL DCUM PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS. PLEASE READ A WIKI PAGE ABOUT HOW GUNS WORK.

This has been explained numerous times on several threads here. There is no difference between semi handguns and semi long guns. The AK looks like a machine gun, but it's actually not. Large capacity magazines can be bought for either. Some states restrict the number of rounds in a magazine. Regardless of this, empty magazines can be quickly swapped out with new, full ones, with a little practice. A 9mm Beretta handgun can accept a 33 round magazine and then re-loaded an unlimited amount of times. Also it would probably be more convenient for a shooter to have two semi handguns rather than a bulky AK. Easier to shoot someone a t short range with a handgun also. (This is why cops carry handguns and not AKs).

Whatever blah blah blah who cares!? What we are saying is we don't want any guns that can shoot as many bullets as I just heard in the snap chat video from Pulse club! Watch the video. Bang bang bang it all you can hear one after the other and very close together. We should not have any guns that have this capacity on the streets - it that means getting rid of more than Ak 15s than so be it. I guess I can also understand the other side of the argument though is they are worried that if law abiding citizens get rid of their assault rifles and the "bad guys" don't get rid of theirs then that's a problem. We would have to figure out how to enforce it and I think pro gun folks are worried there will be an underground black market for these items if they become illegal and they may be right. We need to figure out how to enforce a ban.

OK - I'll cut through the "blah blah blah." PP is saying that even little handguns could go "bang bang bang very close together." Rifles, AR-15s, handguns, etc. You would have to ban the vast majority, if not all, effective weapons to ban "bang bang bang" guns. And there already is an underground black market for guns for those people who can't get them legally. This is not a hypothetical concern.

Handguns have to be reloaded though after less bullets, correct? Ar15s can shoot hundreds of billets without being reloaded, correct?

Are you a moron? Hundreds of bullets without being reloaded? Stop watching so many movies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the killing continues today in West Virginia with three more dead (over a firewood dispute apparently). Message from America; thoughts and prayers not working, please send gun legislation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-hunt-gunman-opened-fire-w-va-state-park-article-1.2672447

Specifically which legislation would have prevented this? Banning firewood?

[Anonymous]

People can't be trusted. People CANNOT trust themselves. Personally speaking from knowing three handgun suicides within the past two years! Not to mention the ignorant gun owner's who trust that their family members will not break the house rules and help themselves to guns, or sloppy safety measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People can't be trusted. People CANNOT trust themselves. Personally speaking from knowing three handgun suicides within the past two years! Not to mention the ignorant gun owner's who trust that their family members will not break the house rules and help themselves to guns, or sloppy safety measures.

I grew up in the sticks. There were about 20 rifles sitting in the corner. No guns in my house, but it never occurred to me to touch them. I was taught from a young age not to do so, and I respected those rules. The same is true for every family I grew up with, and no gun suicides. Anecdotes are just anecdotes on both sides.