Overheard DW's fantasy about OM, do I confront her?

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to understand how the OP overheard this conversation, why his wife would have such a conversation by phone in their home knowing she might be overheard, where the kids (if any) were during this conversation, etc.

This is just further evidence of her low esteem for him. She is increasingly disinterested in trying to hide her true feelings.

Then he needs to build that esteem up. Make her feel love for him again, make her feel good around him.

NO. you don't kiss the ass of the woman who can't wait to have sex with another guy. No matter what euphemism you use – step up, romance, attention, whatever – he is showing how little he thinks of himself to try and "win" someone back who has shown so little respect.

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Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

[Anonymous]

I'd start wooing her and putting on all the sexy charm. That's what she's looking for.

[Anonymous]

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And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

[Citation needed]

[Anonymous]

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And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

[Citation needed]

Source: personal experience, observational knowledge, common sense.

[Anonymous]

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And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

[Citation needed]

http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

(shrug) The man who does not act on the evidence of his own eyes about female behavior will be the bitter and angry one.

Personally I stopped listening to female advice about women, and instead watched what successful men did. Emulating them worked like a charm. This is another reason boys need to be raised with their fathers; nothing worse than trying to implement your mom's guaranteed-to-fail "be nice, be yourself" advice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

And of course. your advice is great- since you seem to be operating from a "it's too late to fix it, she should go be with the other guy" perspective. I think thats jumping the gun wayyyyy too early.

but, if OP does want to end things over this, then I think your advice is great. It will certainly expedite the end of the relationship instead of dragging it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

And of course. your advice is great- since you seem to be operating from a "it's too late to fix it, she should go be with the other guy" perspective. I think thats jumping the gun wayyyyy too early.

but, if OP does want to end things over this, then I think your advice is great. It will certainly expedite the end of the relationship instead of dragging it out.

Fix what? Knowing she wanted to (and probably did) fuck that other guy? Go down on her more, per DCUM women, and know this other guy has been inside her? If that's "fixed," then yes, OP, listen to her. You'll never be happy with that knowledge in your head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

And of course. your advice is great- since you seem to be operating from a "it's too late to fix it, she should go be with the other guy" perspective. I think thats jumping the gun wayyyyy too early.

but, if OP does want to end things over this, then I think your advice is great. It will certainly expedite the end of the relationship instead of dragging it out.

Fix what? Knowing she wanted to (and probably did) fuck that other guy? Go down on her more, per DCUM women, and know this other guy has been inside her? If that's "fixed," then yes, OP, listen to her. You'll never be happy with that knowledge in your head.

LOL! He hasn't been inside of her yet. By DW's own confession, she has only ever fantasized. But if OP goes by your suggestions, the other man will definitely be inside of her, sooner rather than later!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

And of course. your advice is great- since you seem to be operating from a "it's too late to fix it, she should go be with the other guy" perspective. I think thats jumping the gun wayyyyy too early.

but, if OP does want to end things over this, then I think your advice is great. It will certainly expedite the end of the relationship instead of dragging it out.

Fix what? Knowing she wanted to (and probably did) fuck that other guy? Go down on her more, per DCUM women, and know this other guy has been inside her? If that's "fixed," then yes, OP, listen to her. You'll never be happy with that knowledge in your head.

LOL! He hasn't been inside of her yet. By DW's own confession, she has only ever fantasized. But if OP goes by your suggestions, the other man will definitely be inside of her, sooner rather than later!

"Confession."
You mean trickle truth.
"We never actually did anything."
"Well, he tried to kiss me and I didn't pull away at first."
"He did run his hands on me, but that's all."
"I only gave him oral for 10 seconds."
"We almost 69'd but I stopped him."
"We have been having for the last 18 months."

That's how cheaters confess. Add anywhere from weeks to months in between each line.

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If she's willing to sleep with another guy, is she really worth OP's effort? Assuming a guy isn't being emotionally or physically abusive or something, he should be able to trust his wife to keep her promises, and especially her oaths.

If she's just bored and dissatisfied and turned on by another man, the least she could do is tell OP the type of things the other man is doing that turns her on. (She doesn't have to say it's the OM -- just, 'you know what would turn me on? If you did x, y, and z.')

If she's too immature or selfish to do that, then she doesn't seem like the type of person who deserves flowers or more oral sex or whatever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Right. Because as women we aren't the authorities on what women want. Totally makes sense. Totally. /s

Nope. You're not. That's why men should watch what you actually do, not listen to what you say.

Right. And we dont fuck bitter men with anger issues towards women.

If you think we do- well I would say that's a case of wishful thinking.

You're right. You fuck the alpha male while expecting your beta, whiny, bitch of a man to step up his game. Then he can taste your mingled juices.

Right, you just gave yourself away as a bitter red piller.

Here's a tip: if you need lessons on how to be "alpha", you will never be THAT. As someone who is looking in from the outside on alpha-female relationships, let me assure you, as someone who has dated men that would most certainly be classified as "alpha" by your standard: they DONT treat women badly. If a woman loses interest, they work to gain it back.

What could be more alpha than sexual prowess and making your woman come several times? That's alpha.

But of course- you dont want to hear that. It's easier for you to say that alpha involves being mean to women and treating them like shit. Because that's easy, and it explains away the inevitable rejection "she couldnt deal with me being alpha".

No, you are being an asshole. A beta asshole trying to compensate for his lack of social skills by acting like a tool.

Nobody said anything about "red pill," nor treating anyone like shit or like an asshole. Alpha is purely relative. You can view one guy as alpha "compared to that other guy."

But funny how you went off on a tirade once you thought you knew what was going on. So, the OP must lack social skills and that's why his wife married him? Do you listen to yourself speak or read what you write (or believe your own bullshit)?

Simple fact:
• Wife is cheating or about to
• Women here are telling this guy to up his game and some have suggested he best up his sexual prowess and give more oral (see previous posts)
• Women are suggesting he *not* stand his ground because that's a "zero sum" game

And I keep asking:
• Why does he have to up his anything while she has made it clear she wants to (and possibly already has) fuck this other guy?

Women generally have good intentions with their comments, but they're usually wrong. Every decade from teens to minimally 40s, women say and do different things. At least you know a man's intentions.

So, OP. Nobody said go all "red pill." Nobody said to treat your wife like an asshole. What we are telling you to do is not give in to her. She doesn't deserve your A game while she's ***blatantly*** disrespecting you and verbally telling you it's more than just some little crush.

And of course. your advice is great- since you seem to be operating from a "it's too late to fix it, she should go be with the other guy" perspective. I think thats jumping the gun wayyyyy too early.

but, if OP does want to end things over this, then I think your advice is great. It will certainly expedite the end of the relationship instead of dragging it out.

Fix what? Knowing she wanted to (and probably did) fuck that other guy? Go down on her more, per DCUM women, and know this other guy has been inside her? If that's "fixed," then yes, OP, listen to her. You'll never be happy with that knowledge in your head.

LOL! He hasn't been inside of her yet. By DW's own confession, she has only ever fantasized. But if OP goes by your suggestions, the other man will definitely be inside of her, sooner rather than later!

"Confession."
You mean trickle truth.
"We never actually did anything."
"Well, he tried to kiss me and I didn't pull away at first."
"He did run his hands on me, but that's all."
"I only gave him oral for 10 seconds."
"We almost 69'd but I stopped him."
"We have been having for the last 18 months."

That's how cheaters confess. Add anywhere from weeks to months in between each line.

LOL. She was talking to her friend, not DH. Trust me, women tell our friends everything.