Why its almost always women putting partner's career ahead of their own

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Anonymous wrote:Because women earn less on average

Women earn less once kids enter the picture.

If you look at young people with professional jobs and similar education backgrounds, there is no pay gap until they have kids. Then men’s earnings get a bump and women’s stagnate.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

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Anonymous wrote:Because women earn less on average

Women earn less once kids enter the picture.

If you look at young people with professional jobs and similar education backgrounds, there is no pay gap until they have kids. Then men’s earnings get a bump and women’s stagnate.

There’s still an 8-10% pay gap. It’s just widens a ton after kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Society judges men for career achievement more than women. Women don’t lose as much ego from not being successful as a man does. Career is seen as icing on the cake for a woman, not a base expectation like it is for men. As a man I’d have a hard time feeling like people didn’t see me as a loser if I stopped working so my wife could pick up the pace

This^. Also though women want equality but if they earn more, most treat their spouses badly.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

Not the PP but yes thats true and the fact that you are so ignorant is a bit suss.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

Lmao you don’t even know what Nordic means.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

Lmao you don’t even know what Nordic means.

Nor do they know the definition of “obscure.”

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

Aren’t you the poster who said women who think men should share equal parenting burdens have to accept the conditions of Papúa New Guinea or something?

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

Lmao you don’t even know what Nordic means.

She named, by name, Finland, the only country in the world where men spend more time with children than women. That specific “piece of evidence” cited, unlike the nebulous Nordic Countries do X, is what I was referring to. And did I say women HAVE to accept the conditions of the Trobriand Islanders? Or is it just a fact about the cultures this person named before she trotted out the darling Finns? Goodness gracious people.

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Anonymous wrote:This is 2026. Why aren't more men doing it?

Because many people still have common sense. Men are providers by nature. Household and children are the primary responsibilities of women. This type of lifestyle is closest to the human nature.

whaaaaaaa? Voice from 1955.

Name a society in history where men cared for the home and children, and women went out and procured the food and resources.

Aka Pygmies are one example I can think of off the top of my head.

If that's the best you can do, I think you're coming up short.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said to name a single society in all of human history. Done.

But I’ll name a few more.

!Kung
Hadza
Trobriand Islanders
Khasi
Mosuo

Perhaps it is societal conditioning, but it’s societal conditioning that has successfully built on top of existing human nature. Do you want to live in the society the !Kung or Trobriand Islanders built? Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papua New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.

Being a lesbian in the U.S. has worked fine for me. Oh, wait, are there western subcultures that aren’t interested in and don’t need male providers? Gasp.

Lesbians are 1.4% of the population. Maybe we could visit the isle of Lesbos to see what a majority of women making the same choice as you looks like at scale! There are examples of societies where majority of women choose to be single mothers and let their men be shiftless at home to visit as well.

So just to be clear, you agree that it’s not a universal truth that all cultures involve women being primary caregivers and men primarily providing economically?

Yes, but I (a DP) conceded that from the beginning. Perhaps it is societal conditioning. But it is a societal conditioning that maps onto human nature successfully, which we all on this website live in and enjoy the fruits of while the poor women of Papua New Guinea toil in misery as the most r*ped women in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous logic. The question was whether there was ANY society in HUMAN HISTORY that has males providing primary parental care. The answer is yes, and I provided MANY examples throughout human history of such societies. You have cited no evidence that men prioritizing their career over childcare is “human nature,” and that is contrary to the fact that there are many cultures and subcultures where men are primary caregivers or men are ignored entirely. There is no trade off such that a woman who wants a man to provide childcare must accept the entire environment of Papúa New Guinea as a result. And you know that, you’re just being obtuse because you want to insist that the evidence support you despite having cited nothing but your personal authority on “human nature.”

I don’t have to cite what’s obvious to the naked eye that, outside of these highly obscure outlier cultures that, frankly, still live hand to mouth subsistence lifestyles, the way things play out for the majority of people is the way things are based on the way the majority of people are. Who’s being obtuse here?

Nordic countries and lesbians in the DC area are just “such obscure outlier cultures.” I’m glad to know that I, a biglaw attorney, live a “hand to mouth subsistence lifestyle.” But maybe I’m just not human because I behave in a way that’s “contrary to human nature.”

Men in Nordic countries, as a society, take a step back in their careers and daddy track so they can care for their children at home in similar numbers that women do in everywhere else in the West? If that’s true, then yes, that’s an obscure outlier culture. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but that’s for your SAHH to deal with, I suppose.

In Nordic countries, parenting responsibilities are nearly equally shared. In Finland, fathers spend more time per day with their school-aged children than mothers. And no, Finland is not an “obscure” country. It’s a wealthy, industrialized society.

I don’t know where you’ve decided that I’m “angry.” I’m simply saying your points are entirely unsubstantiated and contradicted the actual evidence to which I cite.

I won’t be going home to a stay-at-home husband. I will be going home to wife, who shares equally with me in earning money and caring for the house and family.

Finland, the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD where men do that, with a language no one else in the world can speak with no cultural output and a teeny tiny portion of the global, let alone Western, let alone European population, *is* an obscure and certainly an outlier nation in the grand scheme of things.

Once again, you occupying the 1% does not negate the reality of things for the vast majority of people! I’m not going to keep derailing the thread.

Lmao you don’t even know what Nordic means.

She named, by name, Finland, the only country in the world where men spend more time with children than women. That specific “piece of evidence” cited, unlike the nebulous Nordic Countries do X, is what I was referring to. And did I say women HAVE to accept the conditions of the Trobriand Islanders? Or is it just a fact about the cultures this person named before she trotted out the darling Finns? Goodness gracious people.

She said Nordic and then cited a Finnish study as an example. Are you not the person who said: “Feel free to pack your bags and move to Papúa New Guinea and live your best life. Find a man to take care of your home and children there. Let us know how that goes.”?