Notre Dame Drops ‘Catholic Mission’ Language From Staff Values

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How does Villanova compare for Catholics?

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

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Georgetown is Jesuit (not just "Catholic"). You sure they've moved away from the Jesuit mission?

IMO, yes.

Agreed - it has become far too woke and watered-down its values in comparison to other Jesuit universities.

Based on what? Tell me how Georgetown, the preeminent Jesuit school in America, has watered down its values? Or are you just looking for an excuse because the school still values diversity, unlike Notre Dame or Boston College (weak!).

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Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church is generally accepted as a problematic institution. Any university that wants top talent as staff or students is going to read the writing on the wall. If you are Catholic and have not realized this, you need to get your head out of the sand.

By who? By people who know their behavior and beliefs are bad for them and others, but can’t stand to be reminded of that? Certainly not by the more than 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide.

By the other 7 billion.

And you have a source for this? That every non-Catholic in the world thinks the Catholic Church is “problematic?” Honestly, do you really think the vast majority of non-Catholics even think about the Church?

That was a joke--the 7 billion number, so I don't have a cite.

Yes, I do think people think about the Church because of things that are of general interest including (1) the Church's institutionalization of child rape and related obstruction of justice and (2) in the U.S., the prevalence of Catholics on the Supreme Court advancing the pro-life agenda.

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All this speculation is irrelevant because they added it back.

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Anonymous wrote:Live Father Pete - my kid met Father Pete at her recruiting visit and thought it was better than meeting a celebrity (although he is kind of a celebrity).

ND is still very Catholic. Still parietals and priests or nuns in the dorms, still “our Lady of Victory, pray for us,” still very much about developing and passing on its Catholic values.

Father Pete is great we loved his lecture and what he had to say. However, the rest of the admitted tour vibe did not feel the same. I think they try too hard to be a lot of different things. Kid ultimately chose a different school last cycle. However, there are still people there of great faith including Father Pete. If you are of deep faith, you can still find it at Notre Dame just was not as obvious everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that is semantics or not. I have my third at Notre Dame now. I haven’t seen much different in their outward approach, and they are still Catholic and make that very clear.

The dorm Masses, dorm rectors, etc., are still a thing. They are proudly Catholic. The school draws about 20 percent non-Catholic, which I don’t believe has changed much.

If anything, over the last 12 years I would say the student body has gotten less conservatively Catholic, at least in my experience with students.

Who knows, maybe this is one of the ways the school is trying to work around Trump administration and its apparent anger at Catholicism. But I have seen little difference on the ground. It’s a great place

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

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Georgetown is Jesuit (not just "Catholic"). You sure they've moved away from the Jesuit mission?

Agreed - it has become far too woke and watered-down its values in comparison to other Jesuit universities.

Based on what? Tell me how Georgetown, the preeminent Jesuit school in America, has watered down its values? Or are you just looking for an excuse because the school still values diversity, unlike Notre Dame or Boston College (weak!).

[/https://georgetownvoice.com/2009/04/23/georgetown-is-great-just-not-catholic-anymore/

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

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Georgetown is Jesuit (not just "Catholic"). You sure they've moved away from the Jesuit mission?

IMO, yes.

Agreed - it has become far too woke and watered-down its values in comparison to other Jesuit universities.

Based on what? Tell me how Georgetown, the preeminent Jesuit school in America, has watered down its values? Or are you just looking for an excuse because the school still values diversity, unlike Notre Dame or Boston College (weak!).

https://georgetownvoice.com/2009/04/23/georgetown-is-great-just-not-catholic-anymore/

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

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Georgetown is Jesuit (not just "Catholic"). You sure they've moved away from the Jesuit mission?

IMO, yes.

Agreed - it has become far too woke and watered-down its values in comparison to other Jesuit universities.

Based on what? Tell me how Georgetown, the preeminent Jesuit school in America, has watered down its values? Or are you just looking for an excuse because the school still values diversity, unlike Notre Dame or Boston College (weak!).

They have a point. Notre Dame is only 4-5% African American. https://www.niche.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/students/

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When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

There are several younger girls who wear mantillas at our middle of the road NOVA Catholic masses. Yes, there is an appetite for more traditional liturgy--one of my daughters is in choir and prefers to sing in Latin--but I also think they think it looks cute. I don't think mantillas -----> tradwives.

What’s a mantilla?

Catholic women used to have to wear a veil over their head in the church during Mass.

When the requirement went away, it quickly disappeared as an American cultural tradition.

This is people bringing that back . . . it is no longer required but is not barred. In modern context it is usually taken as a sign of agreement with a trend toward increased conservatism, the kind that in Catholic Churches goes hand in hand with Opus Dei, Latin Mass, and publicly disagreeing with any pope that is more focused on the things Jesus said to do in the Gospels than fighting abortion, divorce, and the Gays. It is not strictly a sign of conservatism and can (a little naively, usually) be a sign of modesty and outward devotion.

The specific term mantilla (MON-TEA-UH in faux phonetic English) is specifically taken from the Spanish version which was once common for Spanish women in contexts beyond Church even though it was an overwhelmingly Catholic country. The big black thing draped over your head, etc.

If you haven't heard of a mantilla, it's probably a good sign.

Wow, thank you for this helpful explanation and context. I'm a protestant Christian and was not understanding why we are talking about some seemingly Spanish word in this discussion.

DP: For more context, women stopped wearing hats/veils at mass in the 60s, though it was officially changed in 1983. I was born in the 60s and never saw anyone wearing a hat or veil in church other than a bride or old lady until the last three years. To me, it comes across as performative in a way that goes against Catholic teaching about performative religious practices. But I conceed that for some it may be a genuine, though not required, modesty choice.

They are the Catholic taliban.

Ridiculous and offensive

No honey. What’s offensive is ordained catholic priests being predatory pedophiles for decades; likely centuries and the so-called “pope” knew all about it. Yet he did nothing (other than protect the perpetrators).

THAT is offensive.

Church leaders were wrong to cover up any sex abuse that occurred in the Church. No argument there. The Church has gone to great lengths to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

It’s disingenuous to pretend that sex abuse only happens in the Catholic Church and that it is more prevalent in the Church than in other institutions. It is always wrong when it happens in churches AND when it happens elsewhere. Check out the stats for sex abuse in public schools and yet virtually no mention of it ever made and very little is done to decrease its prevalence.

“ Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

"[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03

We understand it happens in public schools. But there is no religion that claims public schools have divine authority and are led by God. Such a religion would have a hard time justifying such a theological belief in light of the child abuse happening public schools.

Also, the analogy isn't very good, as there's no evidence of the highest levels of public school leadership being aware and hiding it. But if there was, you would have a very hard time convincing anyone (other than 2025 Republicans, I suppose) that those high-level pedo protectors deserved any amount of divine authority.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

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Georgetown is Jesuit (not just "Catholic"). You sure they've moved away from the Jesuit mission?

IMO, yes.

Agreed - it has become far too woke and watered-down its values in comparison to other Jesuit universities.

Based on what? Tell me how Georgetown, the preeminent Jesuit school in America, has watered down its values? Or are you just looking for an excuse because the school still values diversity, unlike Notre Dame or Boston College (weak!).

Georgetown dumped Catholicism about 10 years back

They only trot it out if they need to fundraise.

Go on a tour and you will see this to be true.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

Can you tell us more what you mean? My seniors (twins) are both applying to Georgetown this year.

Go to Georgetown if you want Georgetown.

Don't go to Georgetown if you want a Catholic school. Georgetown is no longer Catholic

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Notre Dame reversed this mistake.

The outcry against this terrible decision was swift and passionate.

The Pope even got involved.

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Anonymous wrote:All this speculation is irrelevant because they added it back.

The Pope called the entire Notre Dame leadership to Rome.

Problem fixed, for now.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not in favor. I work at Georgetown and it has moved far from its Catholic mission.

Can you tell us more what you mean? My seniors (twins) are both applying to Georgetown this year.

Go to Georgetown if you want Georgetown.

Don't go to Georgetown if you want a Catholic school. Georgetown is no longer Catholic

Agree. It is still a great school. Just not a great Catholic ethos if that is what you are looking for in a college.