Notre Dame Drops ‘Catholic Mission’ Language From Staff Values

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Anonymous wrote:traditional American catholics really hate the past few popes - aside from the hitler jugund one- so it might be that the university is distancing itself from the Vatican to keep its appeal to american catholics?

I don't think so.

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I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

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The school kept the word “Catholic” in the opening sentence and you are concerned they are walking away from the mission?

“how we seek to advance Notre Dame’s mission as a global, CATHOLIC research university.

Community: Treat every person with dignity and respect.

Collaboration: Work together with honesty, kindness, and humility.

Excellence: Pursue the highest standards with a commitment to truth and service.

Innovation: Embrace opportunities with creativity and dedication.”

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No disagreement. The concern is why they need to make the change and the intended or unintended consequences for the future.

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It is very normal for businesses and institutions to update their mission statements.

Here is the old mission statement: Leadership in Mission: "Understands, accepts and supports the Catholic mission of the university and fosters values consistent with that mission."

New statement: In all that we do we seek to advance Notre Dame’s mission as a global, Catholic research university.

Community: Treat every person with dignity and respect
Collaboration: Work together with honesty, kindness, and humility
Excellence: Pursue the highest standards with a commitment to truth and service
Innovation: Embrace opportunities with creativity and dedication

So instead of the vague "Catholic mission" verbiage, they list the things that make up the Catholic mission.

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Anonymous wrote:No disagreement. The concern is why they need to make the change and the intended or unintended consequences for the future.

Because it is part of best practices to update mission and vision statements every 20 years or so. SMFH

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Anonymous wrote:I find that disappointing. We’re in a time where a lot of people are seeking out traditional faith, and it’s sad that such a storied institution seems to be stepping back a bit.

No one is seeking out "traditional faith" LOL

Sorry, but you live in a bubble if you truly believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

Oh my. I'm an alum and never saw anyone in mantillas. I wonder if the student body is becoming more conservative?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

Oh my. I'm an alum and never saw anyone in mantillas. I wonder if the student body is becoming more conservative?

It was basilica mass on a holy day, not dorm mass, fwiw. And, the girls had on jeans and sweatshirts with the mantillas (and, I don’t know for sure they were notre dame students, just that they looked college age. Could have been your group, SMC girls, who knows). I am a pretty liberal Catholic and found it charming (not quite the right word) as it isn’t something I personally see often and made me curious and think a bit on faith traditions.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very normal for businesses and institutions to update their mission statements.

Here is the old mission statement: Leadership in Mission: "Understands, accepts and supports the Catholic mission of the university and fosters values consistent with that mission."

New statement: In all that we do we seek to advance Notre Dame’s mission as a global, Catholic research university.

Community: Treat every person with dignity and respect
Collaboration: Work together with honesty, kindness, and humility
Excellence: Pursue the highest standards with a commitment to truth and service
Innovation: Embrace opportunities with creativity and dedication

So instead of the vague "Catholic mission" verbiage, they list the things that make up the Catholic mission.

Yup. The OP misrepresented this change. I suspect it’s being covered in the right-wing press as OP suggests, when in fact the Catholic mission is actually at the top of the statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

I'm a lifelong Catholic and they fact that we've gone from guitar mass/Vatican II/Catholic Worker House movement to this in my lifetime makes my hear hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

Oh my. I'm an alum and never saw anyone in mantillas. I wonder if the student body is becoming more conservative?

Yeah -- I have a kid there and also find this concerning.

Mantillas on old ladies are charming. Matillas on young women--> future trad wives. Yuck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid there as well. The Catholic mission permeates the entire campus from his doem rector, dorm mass, Catholic focused service work, to praying at the grotto weekly. The school has a priest as President. The student section goes wild like it is a rockstar for Father Pete at football games. When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

Yet he appreciates his friends of different faiths - his roommate is not Catholic. There are also a wide variety of opinion from conservative Catholics to liberal Catholics. This is all healthy.

I don’t think we need to create alarm over Notre Dame losing its Catholic way. For those lucky enough to attend (I am not an alum), seems like a great place.

Oh my. I'm an alum and never saw anyone in mantillas. I wonder if the student body is becoming more conservative?

It was basilica mass on a holy day, not dorm mass, fwiw. And, the girls had on jeans and sweatshirts with the mantillas (and, I don’t know for sure they were notre dame students, just that they looked college age. Could have been your group, SMC girls, who knows). I am a pretty liberal Catholic and found it charming (not quite the right word) as it isn’t something I personally see often and made me curious and think a bit on faith traditions.

no, it's a weird offshoot of MAGA and trad wife movement. women who are encouraged to put aside career ambitions and have 10 kids and go to daily mass.

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When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.

There are several younger girls who wear mantillas at our middle of the road NOVA Catholic masses. Yes, there is an appetite for more traditional liturgy--one of my daughters is in choir and prefers to sing in Latin--but I also think they think it looks cute. I don't think mantillas -----> tradwives.