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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]When I was at mass, there were probably 30 college girls in mantillas and jeans.[/quote]

There are several younger girls who wear mantillas at our middle of the road NOVA Catholic masses. Yes, there is an appetite for more traditional liturgy--one of my daughters is in choir and prefers to sing in Latin--but I also think they think it looks cute.  I don't think mantillas -----&gt; tradwives.[/quote]

What’s a mantilla? [/quote]

Catholic women used to have to wear a veil over their head in the church during Mass.

When the requirement went away, it quickly disappeared as an American cultural tradition.

This is people bringing that back . . . it is no longer required but is not barred. In modern context it is usually taken as a sign of agreement with a trend toward increased conservatism, the kind that in Catholic Churches goes hand in hand with Opus Dei, Latin Mass, and publicly disagreeing with any pope that is more focused on the things Jesus said to do in the Gospels than fighting abortion, divorce, and the Gays. It is not strictly a sign of conservatism and can (a little naively, usually) be a sign of modesty and outward devotion.

The specific term mantilla (MON-TEA-UH in faux phonetic English) is specifically taken from the Spanish version which was once common for Spanish women in contexts beyond Church even though it was an overwhelmingly Catholic country. The big black thing draped over your head, etc.

If you haven't heard of a mantilla, it's probably a good sign.[/quote]

Wow, thank you for this helpful explanation and context.  I'm a protestant Christian and was not understanding why we are talking about some seemingly Spanish word in this discussion.[/quote]

DP: For more context, women stopped wearing hats/veils at mass in the 60s, though it was officially changed in 1983. I was born in the 60s and never saw anyone wearing a hat or veil in church other than a bride or old lady until the last three years. To me, it comes across as performative in a way that goes against Catholic teaching about performative religious practices. But I conceed that for some it may be a genuine, though not required, modesty choice. [/quote]

They are the Catholic taliban.[/quote]
 Ridiculous and offensive [/quote]

No honey.  What’s offensive is ordained catholic priests being predatory pedophiles for decades; likely centuries and the so-called “pope” knew all about it.  Yet he did nothing (other than protect the perpetrators).

THAT is offensive.[/quote]

Church leaders were wrong to cover up any sex abuse that occurred in the Church. No argument there.  The Church has gone to great lengths to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

It’s disingenuous to pretend that sex abuse only happens in the Catholic Church and that it is more prevalent in the Church than in other institutions. It is always wrong when it happens in churches AND when it happens elsewhere. Check out the stats for sex abuse in public schools and yet virtually no mention of it ever made and very little is done to decrease its prevalence.

“ Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

"[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03

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We understand it happens in public schools. But there is no religion that claims public schools have divine authority and are led by God. Such a religion would have a hard time justifying such a theological belief in light of the child abuse happening public schools.

Also, the analogy isn't very good, as there's no evidence of the highest levels of public school leadership being aware and hiding it. But if there was, you would have a very hard time convincing anyone (other than 2025 Republicans, I suppose) that those high-level pedo protectors deserved any amount of divine authority.[/quote]

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