Are people okay with losing friends over politics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're OK if I, a research scientist who has worked on cancer, gets detained and is forced to sleep on the floor and not get my daily medication (which might kill me), just because I am waiting for a green card? I have paid all my taxes, I've obeyed the law, my immigration status is LEGAL, and yet there are people like me who have been detained for weeks or months, mistreated and deported. Some of them have been released after their ordeal, with nary an apology.

You also voted for the abrupt cancellation of USAID, the stoppage of which has already killed HIV-infected infants in South Africa. Millions more vulnerable people across the world are predicted to die until 2030 if aid is not reinstated.This was American soft power and diplomacy, OP - the world order was American because the USA was the great helper of the world. Helping people not die will get you loyalty and peace on your terms. You are ceding that power to China, a repressive state that punishes dissidents systematically, and who wishes to remake the world in its image. Are you OK with that? Your quality of life and those of your children and grandchildren will decrease dramatically once the US has been supplanted as the arbiter on the world stage.

Americans who were in NIH-funded clinical trials have also been severely impacted, and their trials halted while treatment was ongoing. Some of them will die. Trump is waging a war against the federal government, and part of the government is composed of researchers who discover cures for cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

I am talking about deaths; severe injury; or severe change in life circumstances for non-violent foreigners with valid immigration status who are detained or deported.

The burden of shame and blame borne by Trump voters is ENORMOUS.

And yet I still talk to one old man who voted for Trump... the more I talk to him, the more I persuade him that his support was misplaced.

I hope you see the error of your ways. You have hurt so many innocent people in the world.

Please name legal deportees

here, research done by the Cato Institute:

https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law#:~:text=However%2C%20these%20accounts%20often%20include%20official%20government,family%20members%2C%20playing%20cards%20used%20to%20cover

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually feel bad for you OP. I can tell you were sincere with your post, but the people on here are viscous.

Typical. When people call out MAGA for their lack of morals or ethics, it's vicious. But MAGA and Trump spreading outright lies, supporting an insurrection that attempted to overturn a free and fair election, supporting the destruction of our science and research infrastructure, health care system, justice system...that's all OKAY!

yup..it's exhausting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually feel bad for you OP. I can tell you were sincere with your post, but the people on here are viscous.

Typical. When people call out MAGA for their lack of morals or ethics, it's vicious. But MAGA and Trump spreading outright lies, supporting an insurrection that attempted to overturn a free and fair election, supporting the destruction of our science and research infrastructure, health care system, justice system...that's all OKAY!

yup..it's exhausting

They are always victims.

One who wants to have like 8 kids said “what about my rights?” regarding birth control and abortion. Uh, lady, has anyone told you you’re not allowed to have 8 children? The perceived victimhood is off the charts- they can’t see anyone different than them having rights without somehow feeling that something is being taken away from them.

[Anonymous]

In my view, it’s a big “F you” to anybody who voted for Trump this last round. My wife’s brother and his wife are big MAGA people and we hadn’t seen either of them and their kids since 2016. Our niece (their daughter) recently got married and has a toddler. We saw the SIL briefly just this past summer when my MIL (totally not MAGA) had been in the hospital. Other than that, we have no desire to visit them. Why subject ourselves to that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re the kind of parents who don’t really care much about who wins elections. We did vote for Trump, but either way it wasn’t a big deal to us. My daughter, however, was very upset when she found out. She’s glad we live in a very blue state. We knew he wasn't going to win Maryland.
This why we can't tell anyone who we voted for....

Her best friend has some Trump flags in her room, and now my daughter doesn’t want to be friends with her anymore because of it. I told her that it should be okay—that differences in political views shouldn’t end a friendship, especially since they’ve been close friends since kindergarten.

The girl is also losing many of her friends for the same reason. I even spoke with her mom. Most of the friend group is Latinas, so SHE NOT RACIST. but they keep telling she likes a "PDF" and a racist. m

How can I help my daughter understand that it’s okay to have different views, and how can I help the kids stop treating her friend this way?

Do you have a lot of friends that have different political views?

OP this thread is a good indication of the world your child is living in and why she is behaving the way she is. I would just keep talking to her and model openness to other opinions. It’s also helpful if you have family who get along and are on different sides of the aisle.

To this PP and to OP and to any other Trump supporter,
What do you make of Geoffrey Ingersoll's violent rhetoric? And please try to come up with comparable rhetoric from a journalist, politician, or public figure (not a random teenager on twitter) on the other side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my view, it’s a big “F you” to anybody who voted for Trump this last round. My wife’s brother and his wife are big MAGA people and we hadn’t seen either of them and their kids since 2016. Our niece (their daughter) recently got married and has a toddler. We saw the SIL briefly just this past summer when my MIL (totally not MAGA) had been in the hospital. Other than that, we have no desire to visit them. Why subject ourselves to that?

That’s so sad.

This country badly needs a divorce.

[Anonymous]

You know, OP. I am okay never talking to someone again they are not sickened by this: https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lzvyaioha22v

That is Trump. That is Trump's America. I don't want any part of that and if you are ok with that -- no, if you are not disgusted by that -- then you are no longer my friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my view, it’s a big “F you” to anybody who voted for Trump this last round. My wife’s brother and his wife are big MAGA people and we hadn’t seen either of them and their kids since 2016. Our niece (their daughter) recently got married and has a toddler. We saw the SIL briefly just this past summer when my MIL (totally not MAGA) had been in the hospital. Other than that, we have no desire to visit them. Why subject ourselves to that?

That’s so sad.

This country badly needs a divorce.

People say that, but I honestly don’t know how that would work.

I’m the PP. It’s an unfortunate situation, but we aren’t saddened by it. I feel more for my MIL who lives with them. She doesn’t like seeing what has happened to her son and his family. The last I heard she was upset that they aren’t giving any immunizations to the great grandchild because they don’t want the child to become autistic.

[Anonymous]

19 years ago, no.

Now that the right is fine with disappearing people and sending them to camps, I really don't want to be friends with anyone right wing. I will be professional and baseline friendly, but I don't want them in my life on a regular basis.

[Anonymous]

NP. Harris/Biden voter here. I have removed people from my life (fortunately not good friends) who I saw celebrating family separations at the border. Separating parents from children is evil. I cannot have people in my life who want that.

I have decided I am also going to remove people who support medicalized youth gender transition. The evidence of harm to the most vulnerable children is simply too great, and just like the horrific family separations, I can’t be friends with people who advocate for hurting children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually feel bad for you OP. I can tell you were sincere with your post, but the people on here are viscous.

Typical. When people call out MAGA for their lack of morals or ethics, it's vicious. But MAGA and Trump spreading outright lies, supporting an insurrection that attempted to overturn a free and fair election, supporting the destruction of our science and research infrastructure, health care system, justice system...that's all OKAY!

To be fair, we were only accused of being viscous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my view, it’s a big “F you” to anybody who voted for Trump this last round. My wife’s brother and his wife are big MAGA people and we hadn’t seen either of them and their kids since 2016. Our niece (their daughter) recently got married and has a toddler. We saw the SIL briefly just this past summer when my MIL (totally not MAGA) had been in the hospital. Other than that, we have no desire to visit them. Why subject ourselves to that?

That’s so sad.

This country badly needs a divorce.

People say that, but I honestly don’t know how that would work.

I’m the PP. It’s an unfortunate situation, but we aren’t saddened by it. I feel more for my MIL who lives with them. She doesn’t like seeing what has happened to her son and his family. The last I heard she was upset that they aren’t giving any immunizations to the great grandchild because they don’t want the child to become autistic.

The country is purple, not red or blue. We need an awakening, not a divorce. At some point people need to have some sense slapped into them to understand that the delusional demagoguery that they are so enamored with is not the answer.

[Anonymous]

Am I ok with it? No. But is it happening? Yes. I have not had any dramatic situations with friends but I do find myself drifting from those who do not share my values. But I cannot talk openly to someone about how I am feeling about the world around me if they don't care about the same things that I do.

[Anonymous]

It’s breaking my heart as some of my extended family and lifelong friends are in this camp. The string is very frayed …

[Anonymous]

Not a "my country love it or leave" sort of person, but if you really prioritize immigrants and immigration and you think they are your friends, maybe you might be happier in another country.

Just saying these people I don't typically count as my friends. Let me diagram it.

A is friends with B. B is an immigrant. B doesn't give C the time of day. B probably also doesn't care much about A, unless they are rich. B probably also doesn't care for A.

Just bringing this, up because of in terms of friendship liberals are bringing in large swaths of people that really aren't our friends. Yes, these are our neighbors and our co-workers school mates. Well unless of course you live over in the economically segregated good school areas.

I mean if friendship is important then you have to take that into consideration.