Why All The Striver Hate?

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Love the people adamantly defending strivery behavior here.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the people adamantly defending strivery behavior here.

What’s a strivery behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:Are these schools striver schools?
Johns Hopkins
Rice
Stern
Cornell.

Strivers are people not schools. I guess that there could be "striver schools" i.e. those obsessed over by stivers but Stern and Rice would not be among those schools. Ivies are "striver schools" because strivers (or Asian gunners as someone mentioned) are coveted because of their name and prestige, nothing in particular about any individual school really matters. Any kid who shotguns all 8 Ivies is likely a striver because those schools have nothing in common except prestige and an athletic conference. Same goes for kids who shotgun the T20 or obsess about Berkley, they are even worse in their desperate quest for prestige.

I am sure that there are many white "strivers" but my experience is that of the white upper class kids many go to top SLACs because they have little desire to be around "striver culture", or top publics if they really love engineering. They may apply to Ivies or other top schools but they don't obsess because they already have their brass ring, they are just polishing.

What a nonsense observation. Plenty of top SLACs have “striver” culture as well as sizable Asian populations (who I guess are all strivers).

The wealthiest students are also the ones that most covet the “striver” jobs in banking, consulting, P/E.

You obviously haven't spent much time around top SLACs and the kids that you are talking about. Asian populations at top SLACs are less than half of what they are at top universities. Entitled cultures exist but stiver culture not so much. What you care calling a "striver job" for the those referred to as "strivers" in this thread are not striver jobs for the wealthiest students. They are normal jobs and they don't "strive", rather they assume that they will succeed in getting one because if you are a wealthy, athletic, hard working smart kid at Williams or Middlebury and you really want to go into banking or consulting you will have that opportunity.

Again…complete nonsense. Williams is full of kids that meet DCUM’s definition of “striver”.

The Asian population at Pomona is 22%…it’s 17% at Brown…it’s 14% at Williams…it’s 12.5% at Dartmouth…or are Brown and Dartmouth now not striver schools either.

Please, stop spewing shit.

You just proved that you can do some basic searches on the internet but you only looked at half the equation. Why not check HYPSM for the Asian count? All you managed to do is point out that the Asian striver crowd doesn't succeed at Brown and Dartmouth; they still applied because they are Ivies and that is what matters to so many.

Regarding Williams; when you confuse the pre-professional boarding school kids with 'striver' you just demonstrate a lack of intellect. They aren't striving, they are just preparing for the jobs that they believe are theirs. Your community college education is failing you, pack it in and pick up your kids from violin parctice.

Again…you are just spewing shit…and more shit.

Williams has more kids on significant financial aid than many Ivy schools (55%). It’s a credit that they actually accept kids trying to do great things who I guess are “striving”.

Really not sure why you keep doubling down on a college that doesn’t remotely fit your moronic vision of some college filled with the landed gentry.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen one bit if strives hate. None.
I think this is a troll.

Maybe irl they hide it, but on this forum, there are people who hate on strivers, whatever that means.

I hate on strivers. It’s the guy who runs for student council secretary only because it’s unopposed. It’s the one who takes a course with juniors rather than AP because the GPA boost is the same. It’s the person who sabotages lab work but is never caught in the act. It may or may not be someone with talent, but it is someone insecure and unscrupulous. They exist we have all dealt with them, they don’t disappear senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s also different with parents who were born and raised here in immigrant households, and attended selective colleges a generation ago. They may show some “striver” qualities but may also be more aware that a T-20 isn’t the be-all and end-all of everything. They may feel more confident or secure in some ways because they’ve already navigated this country’s education system?

Hi Ashley, unfortunately no.
Striver is perceived. Your third generation precious Asian kids will be perceived the same as the second generation Asian kids. We are all the same to them, unless your kid put a post-it note on forehead "I am a third generation Asian" every day.

SLACs have a lot more third/fourth generation Asian kids and far less second generation immigrant Asian kids. But they are already complaining about too many Asians there, and some thinks SLACs are striver schools now.

Well, many third generation Asian kids are half Asian and half white so they are not perceived the same as immigrant Asian kids who are 100 percent Asian.

For college admission purpose, they all claimed they are white/black/hispanic. Would be dumb to self claim Asian.

Besides, many of them are still strivers. Amy Chua is second generation. Her daughters are the third generation. Lulu and Sophia once said that they'd raise their children the same way they were raised.

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Anonymous wrote:The people spewing the striver stuff are classist. Ignore them.

We live in a wealthy neighborhood and there definitely is a subset of snobby adult rich children who are very average/below average. I am sure these are the type of people who look down on people they call strivers. These rich adult kids are average looks, average academics, average everything and then marry someone just like them and then have average kids with rich grandparents who pay for their private schools. We are surrounded by these type of people.

this! yes! I am a first gen white kid doctor married to a formerly poor white doc, both went to ivies, met at a top med school, ie all strivers there. Many of our ivy and med classmates were the generational wealth type, and many were like us: none of them ever looked down on fellow smart kids. It is a particular subset of wealthy who do this: namely the non-smart entitled ones.
Our kids' private has tons of generational wealth entitled people who get mad when others do better. Our first is at an ivy no hooks--different ivy than ours. Our second is at a non-ivy top10, third has yet to apply. They are just really smart kids who work hard and are lucky we can afford a top school we did not get to go to. The uber rich parents in the private all have average kids. The kids are not in the top classes and they seem unaware that other kids are much smarter than theirs until they are told theirs have no chance at UVA in state. Suddenly the world is unfair because of all the "try-hards" who are pushing their kids out and there is always some favoritsm they presume. One even asked us if we donated a lot to the high school to get them the top academic awards., or called in a favor at the ivy. Uh not our ivy we do not know anyone to call, and it is not the 80s. Our $ is all in 529s for college or goes to our favorite local charity. These people are really out of touch. They get so annoyed when their money does not buy them top grades and their kids have to settle for fancy non-elite privates like SMU and Elon.

Nobody’s getting denied from UVA and then having their parents call an Ivy League school to get in.

Omg why do you guys make this stuff up?

Reading comprehension. You and the PP are in agreement that calling someone at an Ivy to get in doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The people spewing the striver stuff are classist. Ignore them.

We live in a wealthy neighborhood and there definitely is a subset of snobby adult rich children who are very average/below average. I am sure these are the type of people who look down on people they call strivers. These rich adult kids are average looks, average academics, average everything and then marry someone just like them and then have average kids with rich grandparents who pay for their private schools. We are surrounded by these type of people.

this! yes! I am a first gen white kid doctor married to a formerly poor white doc, both went to ivies, met at a top med school, ie all strivers there. Many of our ivy and med classmates were the generational wealth type, and many were like us: none of them ever looked down on fellow smart kids. It is a particular subset of wealthy who do this: namely the non-smart entitled ones.
Our kids' private has tons of generational wealth entitled people who get mad when others do better. Our first is at an ivy no hooks--different ivy than ours. Our second is at a non-ivy top10, third has yet to apply. They are just really smart kids who work hard and are lucky we can afford a top school we did not get to go to. The uber rich parents in the private all have average kids. The kids are not in the top classes and they seem unaware that other kids are much smarter than theirs until they are told theirs have no chance at UVA in state. Suddenly the world is unfair because of all the "try-hards" who are pushing their kids out and there is always some favoritsm they presume. One even asked us if we donated a lot to the high school to get them the top academic awards., or called in a favor at the ivy. Uh not our ivy we do not know anyone to call, and it is not the 80s. Our $ is all in 529s for college or goes to our favorite local charity. These people are really out of touch. They get so annoyed when their money does not buy them top grades and their kids have to settle for fancy non-elite privates like SMU and Elon.

Nobody’s getting denied from UVA and then having their parents call an Ivy League school to get in.

Omg why do you guys make this stuff up?

Reading comprehension. You and the PP are in agreement that calling someone at an Ivy to get in doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen one bit if strives hate. None.
I think this is a troll.

Maybe irl they hide it, but on this forum, there are people who hate on strivers, whatever that means.

I hate on strivers. It’s the guy who runs for student council secretary only because it’s unopposed. It’s the one who takes a course with juniors rather than AP because the GPA boost is the same. It’s the person who sabotages lab work but is never caught in the act. It may or may not be someone with talent, but it is someone insecure and unscrupulous. They exist we have all dealt with them, they don’t disappear senior year.

That's not a striver. The sabotage thing is the person being a d*ck.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen one bit if strives hate. None.
I think this is a troll.

Maybe irl they hide it, but on this forum, there are people who hate on strivers, whatever that means.

I hate on strivers. It’s the guy who runs for student council secretary only because it’s unopposed. It’s the one who takes a course with juniors rather than AP because the GPA boost is the same. It’s the person who sabotages lab work but is never caught in the act. It may or may not be someone with talent, but it is someone insecure and unscrupulous. They exist we have all dealt with them, they don’t disappear senior year.

If this is what you all mean by striver then they were rare at my kids private...and none of them ended up at ivies. The teachers did see right through them and they never got teacher-voted awards or asked to lead school sponsored research projects. Everyone knew who these kids were but thankfully they were rare. They are even more rare at ivies. Ivies are a lot of super nerdy, love-learning collaborative kids who tend to overfill their schedules because they want to do all the things.
They attend different schools, two completely different interests(Poetry/math minor, premed Engineeirng), and their experience has been similar-- lots of hard work and groups who love to go to the library or form study groups, fear of "failure" then learning to accept a B here and there, with collaboration on psets and very rare slackers. No sabotaging, but the group-work slackers get peer feedback pretty quickly to step it up. Faculty even call out people who miss class/lab or when the section does worse than expected on a midterm. The expectations are high and there is no backdoor to success.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a term often used by mediocre, talentless and jealous white people to justify their own incompetence and failure. It’s a mental illness.

this is what i always thought "striver" was. i never knew the racist connotation this thread reveals, and luckily never used the word and won't now. our high school is almost entirely white and the word is thrown around a lot by the parents who are jealous of the kids who are doing better

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^white people using it on more successful white people

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a term often used by mediocre, talentless and jealous white people to justify their own incompetence and failure. It’s a mental illness.

this is what i always thought "striver" was. i never knew the racist connotation this thread reveals, and luckily never used the word and won't now. our high school is almost entirely white and the word is thrown around a lot by the parents who are jealous of the kids who are doing better

It the same as what is meant here.