Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:Op, to put it simply- they think it will make their child gay. That’s really all there is to it.

Little do they know that kids who grow up in conservative, evangelical households are absolutely NOTORIOUS for secretly rebelling against their parents. I guess what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Lol

This is actually what is at the root of
Most of our problems - a lack of understanding of science and a failure to
Teach critical thinking skills.

Teaching someone that they were born in the wrong body and need hormones and surgery to fix it isn’t “critical thinking skills.” It’s a highly debatable position entirely inappropriate for children to be exposed to.

No one is teaching that.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, to put it simply- they think it will make their child gay. That’s really all there is to it.

Little do they know that kids who grow up in conservative, evangelical households are absolutely NOTORIOUS for secretly rebelling against their parents. I guess what they don’t know can’t hurt them. Lol

This is actually what is at the root of
Most of our problems - a lack of understanding of science and a failure to
Teach critical thinking skills.

Teaching someone that they were born in the wrong body and need hormones and surgery to fix it isn’t “critical thinking skills.” It’s a highly debatable position entirely inappropriate for children to be exposed to.

No one is teaching that.

Maryland was.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

No one is cleaning the Maryland teachers were gay! That doesn’t mean indoctrination wasn’t taking place in the school, it absolutely was.

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I don’t understand why gender ideology or graphic lgbt books need to be in public school books unless it’s to cause a “sexual awakening” in kids.

It seems the schools are their way of giving birth/increasing their numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I be real here?

I am a democrat, btw.

I have a gay son who has known he was gay since he was 11, and he never had any doubt. He’s gay.

My daughter was straight, went to college and met many, many people who are LGBTQ, especially bi. Also became immersed in lots of bisexual pop culture. She came out as bi, and even had a relationship with a girl for awhile. She is now in a relationship with a guy and no longer considers herself bi. This has been the same with several of her friends.

So, what I’m saying is that it is not a choice to be gay. But also, in many circles, it is definitely trendy right now to identify as LGBTQ so kids are convincing themselves of it. But also, college-aged kids experimenting with their sexuality is nothing new. They are just more open about it now.

Also, the more they see adults clutch their pearls about it, the more intrigued they become with it.

You’re welcome to believe that. You’re not welcome to teach that to other people’s children as a condition of their attending public school. Whether you agree or not, it’s a moral/religious question and schools are supposed to be teaching facts.

DP. What exactly is a moral or religious question here? All the PP is saying is that it's normal for gay people to exist-that is a fact.

Whether marriage is between a man and a woman
Whether people can be born into the wrong body
Whether people can choose their sex

And on and on.

All of these are moral and religious questions not science, and don’t belong in the classsroom.

The Maryland curriculum was not about “gays exist.” If you read up about the case, you would know this.

None of these are moral or religious questions, especially the first one. If you feel that these are, then you have no business sending your children to public schools and are thereby proving OP's point; Republicans hate, or a least are very uncomfortable with LGTQ+ people.

Disagreement isn’t hate, and yes, questions about sex and gender are inevitably moral. You’re being disingenuous denying the obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Can I be real here?

I am a democrat, btw.

I have a gay son who has known he was gay since he was 11, and he never had any doubt. He’s gay.

My daughter was straight, went to college and met many, many people who are LGBTQ, especially bi. Also became immersed in lots of bisexual pop culture. She came out as bi, and even had a relationship with a girl for awhile. She is now in a relationship with a guy and no longer considers herself bi. This has been the same with several of her friends.

So, what I’m saying is that it is not a choice to be gay. But also, in many circles, it is definitely trendy right now to identify as LGBTQ so kids are convincing themselves of it. But also, college-aged kids experimenting with their sexuality is nothing new. They are just more open about it now.

Also, the more they see adults clutch their pearls about it, the more intrigued they become with it.

You’re welcome to believe that. You’re not welcome to teach that to other people’s children as a condition of their attending public school. Whether you agree or not, it’s a moral/religious question and schools are supposed to be teaching facts.

Well, lucky for you it is not one of the state standards for my grade level, so I won’t be teaching them that. Btw, what state or common core standards are you guys referring to when you rant about this stuff being taught in schools? Can you provide a link? You do know that teachers can’t just teach whatever we feel like, right?

This has already been answered. It’s the state law in places like California and NJ. Feel free to look online for examples of what is mandated in those state curricula including in the K levels.

Ok here’s what I got. Please tell me which part of this is unacceptable.

Inclusivity, not explicit sex education:
While the curriculum doesn't delve into explicit sexual content in kindergarten, it emphasizes creating a positive and inclusive atmosphere for all students, including those who identify as LGBTQ+.
Focus on respect and acceptance:
The curriculum aims to teach children about diversity, including family diversity and gender roles, and to foster respect for others.
No specific LGBTQ+ curriculum for kindergarten:
There isn't a separate, dedicated LGBTQ+ curriculum for kindergarten in California. Instead, these concepts are integrated into broader topics like health, social studies, and language arts.

Do you people realize that your kid will eventually see too men holding hands at the local Applebee’s? Do you really not want them to have some level of understanding? Do you want them to sit there confused because all they have ever heard is that all families should have a mommy and a daddy?

Also, still waiting on specific examples of teachers crossing the line.

Over and over you’ve been referred to the majority opinion which outlined how Maryland crossed the line in this case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I be real here?

I am a democrat, btw.

I have a gay son who has known he was gay since he was 11, and he never had any doubt. He’s gay.

My daughter was straight, went to college and met many, many people who are LGBTQ, especially bi. Also became immersed in lots of bisexual pop culture. She came out as bi, and even had a relationship with a girl for awhile. She is now in a relationship with a guy and no longer considers herself bi. This has been the same with several of her friends.

So, what I’m saying is that it is not a choice to be gay. But also, in many circles, it is definitely trendy right now to identify as LGBTQ so kids are convincing themselves of it. But also, college-aged kids experimenting with their sexuality is nothing new. They are just more open about it now.

Also, the more they see adults clutch their pearls about it, the more intrigued they become with it.

You’re welcome to believe that. You’re not welcome to teach that to other people’s children as a condition of their attending public school. Whether you agree or not, it’s a moral/religious question and schools are supposed to be teaching facts.

it is not a morality issue.

You don’t get to decide that.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the far right Christian evangelicals, I think most Republicans are just fine with LGBQ folks. Gay marriage is an issue that has been resolved for some time. There are many gay Republicans and always have been. The issue is with the T. They think the normalization of gender fluidity among adolescents has been harmful for children. And they believe trans women competing against biological girls and women is inherently unfair. So too allowing biological males inside women's prisons, domestic abuse shelters, and so on. I'm not sure why Democrats are digging in on this issue. The vast majority of Americans are with Republicans on the issue of trans people in women's spaces.

Again - why is this even an issue to begin with? There’s a reason teachers don’t read books about periods, circulations, breast enhancements, anal cancer to 2nd graders. It just seems like a total lack of common sense.

Frankly I don’t care much about the T when it comes to all the issues you mention. No trans woman is going to rape a woman. Or rather the chances of that are far less than rape in general. People are making a big deal of something so minor. I am a Dem and I have two daughters. I am not worried at all about a trans woman competing against them. It is so so unlikely.

The only place a trans woman should be prohibited from competing is in the Olympics. It is unfair for a person who is biologically male to compete in female olympic athletic competitions. But college sports? Why not? There are so few gifted elite trans athletes that it is a non-issue, except to the Republicans who use it as a steel bat to hammer at the Democrats.

Why does anyone care? If you aren't trans, why does this matter to you? Does a trans person affect your life in any way?

If your kid is trans, so what? If they are happy, that's all that matters. It doesn't affect me, nor does it affect you.

Actually, it was the Lia Thomas example that galvanized popular opinion against the inclusion of trans women in girls and women's sports at all levels. It was so egregious in its unfairness that it clarified everything. This was a young man who swam for Penn and was ranked somewhere in the 400s as a competitive male swimmer. He suddenly declared he was a she. And Penn put him on the Women's team, where he proceeded to blow away all the young women who had been training their whole lives for a scholarship and a chance to compete in the NCAAs. The entire thing was appalling and reflected very poorly on both the NCAA and Penn.

I think at the Olympic level there is a lot more clarity. Lia Thomas cannot swim as a woman for Team USA in the Olympics. The issue at that level is in regards to the very few people that were born intersex. There's no easy answer to that. But that's very different than a person that was born as a healthy, biological male and deciding he's a woman and using all those biological advantages to defeat women. That stuff just pisses people off.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP's question has been answered with many perspectives. She and you clearly simply don't like the answer. Therefore you change the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

No one is cleaning the Maryland teachers were gay! That doesn’t mean indoctrination wasn’t taking place in the school, it absolutely was.

It's not possible to plausibly pretend that MD's lessons are not meant specifically to normalize behavior many, if not a majority of, people consider aberrant. Not providing such instruction says nothing about such behavior, but the instruction was meant as a positive affirmation of it because the County, as it conceded in court, was not content to be neutral with respect to sexual behavior but instead wanted to be "inclusive". Of course, there are lots of sexual behaviors which some people practice which the County was not addressing, because those behaviors are not openly popular politically among liberals.