Losing respect for dh over passivity about the election

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Anonymous wrote:I’m extremely concerned about the election. I think trump is a petulant vengeful baby who brings out the worst and appeals to the worst in humanity and cannot believe he is on the ticket (have voted both ways in the past but trump to me is next level insane). Trying to get dh to do canvassing/ phone banking but he doesn’t want to and is not concerned bc ‘it’s fine’ and ‘Kamala will win’. Clearly the polls do not clearly show this and to me his disinterest is personal - so many more women and babies have died since roe reversed. I just feel like he is a weenie not to be as fired up as I am or at least in the ballpark of it. Anyone else?

He is more than a weeny. he is a selfish douche. Stop spending your energy trying to convince or force him. Go about your life and do the things you think are important.

Sadly, I think we have to realize (but not accept) that generally men don’t give a crap about women. There’s a reason why Michelle Obama was begging men to care about women’s lives in her speech - most of them generally don’t.

For you, it’s your husband who is showing he doesn’t care, which is very painful. For me, it’s my brothers. My brother continues to say explicitly that he will vote for Trump, “because he’s better for the economy” and that’s what’s good for him. Despite the fact that I have said to him that Trump, objectively, has already and will continue to make the life of his lesbian niece, whom he professes to love, much harder. So hard in fact, that she may choose to move out of the country. My brothers also have made it clear that, despite the fact that they know almost nothing about pregnancy conditions, women can’t be trusted to make decisions in the 3rd month of pregnancy. It makes me very sad that they do not value my life or the life of my kids and their future. We are not estranged, but this definitely has made me less interested in supporting them. Support can no longer be one way from women to men.

For all of us, we have to stop investing in men, supporting men, and trying to teach or get them to be good men. Be a good guy or get the heck out of my way. I’m done wasting my energy on them.

Meh. Don’t be made at your brothers. Be mad at me instead. I’m a woman who is voting for Trump. (And also you may want to be careful with your non-inclusive language that suggests abortion or pregnancy conditions are “women’s issues”—yours is the party of science that believes “some men can get pregnant” and “some men have abortions”)

Ditto. Woman here voting for Trump for the third time because not all of us believe in the right to kill innocent humans in utero.

I am pro life in general but the horrible overly broad abortion bans that have proliferated are dangerous and are costing women their lives. I think this issue is waaaay more nuanced than you imply. Even people who have similar values to you can do a lot of harm if they are arrogant, thoughtless and power hungry, which is exactly what I see happening on this issue in many red states.

[Anonymous]

Statistically, you are more likely to die in the car on your way to vote than for your vote to make any difference in an election.

We have very little control over the outcome and things like canvassing only soothe your anxiety. They don’t actually do much.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m extremely concerned about the election. I think trump is a petulant vengeful baby who brings out the worst and appeals to the worst in humanity and cannot believe he is on the ticket (have voted both ways in the past but trump to me is next level insane). Trying to get dh to do canvassing/ phone banking but he doesn’t want to and is not concerned bc ‘it’s fine’ and ‘Kamala will win’. Clearly the polls do not clearly show this and to me his disinterest is personal - so many more women and babies have died since roe reversed. I just feel like he is a weenie not to be as fired up as I am or at least in the ballpark of it. Anyone else?

He is more than a weeny. he is a selfish douche. Stop spending your energy trying to convince or force him. Go about your life and do the things you think are important.

Sadly, I think we have to realize (but not accept) that generally men don’t give a crap about women. There’s a reason why Michelle Obama was begging men to care about women’s lives in her speech - most of them generally don’t.

For you, it’s your husband who is showing he doesn’t care, which is very painful. For me, it’s my brothers. My brother continues to say explicitly that he will vote for Trump, “because he’s better for the economy” and that’s what’s good for him. Despite the fact that I have said to him that Trump, objectively, has already and will continue to make the life of his lesbian niece, whom he professes to love, much harder. So hard in fact, that she may choose to move out of the country. My brothers also have made it clear that, despite the fact that they know almost nothing about pregnancy conditions, women can’t be trusted to make decisions in the 3rd month of pregnancy. It makes me very sad that they do not value my life or the life of my kids and their future. We are not estranged, but this definitely has made me less interested in supporting them. Support can no longer be one way from women to men.

For all of us, we have to stop investing in men, supporting men, and trying to teach or get them to be good men. Be a good guy or get the heck out of my way. I’m done wasting my energy on them.

Meh. Don’t be made at your brothers. Be mad at me instead. I’m a woman who is voting for Trump. (And also you may want to be careful with your non-inclusive language that suggests abortion or pregnancy conditions are “women’s issues”—yours is the party of science that believes “some men can get pregnant” and “some men have abortions”)

Ditto. Woman here voting for Trump for the third time because not all of us believe in the right to kill innocent humans in utero.

I sincerely hope all of you women voting for Trump because of your anti-abortion beliefs have severe and potentially life-threatening pregnancy complications.

Unhinged

What’s unhinged about it? What’s good for the goose is good for the Trump loving goose, right?

[Anonymous]

I have also both voted both ways in the past (last Republican vote was for Romney) and hate Trump. However, while I care enough to vote myself, I don't care enough to do any of the things you mentioned. It might be because I've lost faith in humanity and I don't think I can do anything to change the swaths of the country who are dead set on Trump (although perhaps your point is to get the vote out for Harris as opposed to away from Trump). Anyway, I'm sort of meh like your husband, not because I don't care about the end result, but because I don't think my effort would be worth the potential gain. I am concerned, but not enough to do anything is probably the best way to say it.

My husband, on the other hand, is going nuts over Bezos and canceled our Washington Post subscription (fine by me, I like their Crosswords and do generally read the online headlines every day but I am ok with another news source). He asked if we could cancel our Amazon account and credit card and stop shopping at Whole Foods and I told him if he wanted to take over all the items we get on subscribe and save and handle all the groceries then he was welcome to cancel Amazon. He declined. So we all have our limits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m extremely concerned about the election. I think trump is a petulant vengeful baby who brings out the worst and appeals to the worst in humanity and cannot believe he is on the ticket (have voted both ways in the past but trump to me is next level insane). Trying to get dh to do canvassing/ phone banking but he doesn’t want to and is not concerned bc ‘it’s fine’ and ‘Kamala will win’. Clearly the polls do not clearly show this and to me his disinterest is personal - so many more women and babies have died since roe reversed. I just feel like he is a weenie not to be as fired up as I am or at least in the ballpark of it. Anyone else?

He is more than a weeny. he is a selfish douche. Stop spending your energy trying to convince or force him. Go about your life and do the things you think are important.

Sadly, I think we have to realize (but not accept) that generally men don’t give a crap about women. There’s a reason why Michelle Obama was begging men to care about women’s lives in her speech - most of them generally don’t.

For you, it’s your husband who is showing he doesn’t care, which is very painful. For me, it’s my brothers. My brother continues to say explicitly that he will vote for Trump, “because he’s better for the economy” and that’s what’s good for him. Despite the fact that I have said to him that Trump, objectively, has already and will continue to make the life of his lesbian niece, whom he professes to love, much harder. So hard in fact, that she may choose to move out of the country. My brothers also have made it clear that, despite the fact that they know almost nothing about pregnancy conditions, women can’t be trusted to make decisions in the 3rd month of pregnancy. It makes me very sad that they do not value my life or the life of my kids and their future. We are not estranged, but this definitely has made me less interested in supporting them. Support can no longer be one way from women to men.

For all of us, we have to stop investing in men, supporting men, and trying to teach or get them to be good men. Be a good guy or get the heck out of my way. I’m done wasting my energy on them.

Meh. Don’t be made at your brothers. Be mad at me instead. I’m a woman who is voting for Trump. (And also you may want to be careful with your non-inclusive language that suggests abortion or pregnancy conditions are “women’s issues”—yours is the party of science that believes “some men can get pregnant” and “some men have abortions”)

Ditto. Woman here voting for Trump for the third time because not all of us believe in the right to kill innocent humans in utero.

I sincerely hope all of you women voting for Trump because of your anti-abortion beliefs have severe and potentially life-threatening pregnancy complications. Truly.

Wow, you are truly a terrible person. And you’re wrong about not being able to get care should a woman’s life be in danger. That is fully propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I wrong? Americans are very individualistic. In other words, if an issue makes sense to them they can care less it may hurt someone else. I think drives a lot support for Mr Trump. Our own self interest are celebrated and encouraged.

For example a woman in a red state with draconian abortion laws will vote Trump because if she is a woman with financial means she knows that she can find a WAY to have an abortion for her daughter should she needs. So this woman does not care about another woman with less means who will be have no choice but to carry that child. Sadly we as a people think about ourselves a lot and only ourselves.

Yes, I am a woman with financial means, but I would never spend a dime so my daughter could have an abortion. I believe in the sanctity of human life in all cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I wrong? Americans are very individualistic. In other words, if an issue makes sense to them they can care less it may hurt someone else. I think drives a lot support for Mr Trump. Our own self interest are celebrated and encouraged.

For example a woman in a red state with draconian abortion laws will vote Trump because if she is a woman with financial means she knows that she can find a WAY to have an abortion for her daughter should she needs. So this woman does not care about another woman with less means who will be have no choice but to carry that child. Sadly we as a people think about ourselves a lot and only ourselves.

There’s a certain irony in the last sentence of this reply given that this whole thread started with the OP stating that she basically wants to divorce her husband because he won’t do political canvassing with her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Troll

I truly am not a troll.
I cannot be the only person dealing with meh spouse. I do think he cares but he’s just so passive. I feel like I want him to be doing things

Lady, a lot of us are dealing with Trumper spouses. GMAFB.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS - if you're a white woman married to a white man, be thankful he's not voting for Trump. Vast majority of white men (around 60%) will vote for Trump this year.

There's women with your same views who have husbands eagerly embracing Trump and bringing those values into their house + spreading them to their kids.

Give your DH a break.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m extremely concerned about the election. I think trump is a petulant vengeful baby who brings out the worst and appeals to the worst in humanity and cannot believe he is on the ticket (have voted both ways in the past but trump to me is next level insane). Trying to get dh to do canvassing/ phone banking but he doesn’t want to and is not concerned bc ‘it’s fine’ and ‘Kamala will win’. Clearly the polls do not clearly show this and to me his disinterest is personal - so many more women and babies have died since roe reversed. I just feel like he is a weenie not to be as fired up as I am or at least in the ballpark of it. Anyone else?

He is more than a weeny. he is a selfish douche. Stop spending your energy trying to convince or force him. Go about your life and do the things you think are important.

Sadly, I think we have to realize (but not accept) that generally men don’t give a crap about women. There’s a reason why Michelle Obama was begging men to care about women’s lives in her speech - most of them generally don’t.

For you, it’s your husband who is showing he doesn’t care, which is very painful. For me, it’s my brothers. My brother continues to say explicitly that he will vote for Trump, “because he’s better for the economy” and that’s what’s good for him. Despite the fact that I have said to him that Trump, objectively, has already and will continue to make the life of his lesbian niece, whom he professes to love, much harder. So hard in fact, that she may choose to move out of the country. My brothers also have made it clear that, despite the fact that they know almost nothing about pregnancy conditions, women can’t be trusted to make decisions in the 3rd month of pregnancy. It makes me very sad that they do not value my life or the life of my kids and their future. We are not estranged, but this definitely has made me less interested in supporting them. Support can no longer be one way from women to men.

For all of us, we have to stop investing in men, supporting men, and trying to teach or get them to be good men. Be a good guy or get the heck out of my way. I’m done wasting my energy on them.

Meh. Don’t be made at your brothers. Be mad at me instead. I’m a woman who is voting for Trump. (And also you may want to be careful with your non-inclusive language that suggests abortion or pregnancy conditions are “women’s issues”—yours is the party of science that believes “some men can get pregnant” and “some men have abortions”)

Ditto. Woman here voting for Trump for the third time because not all of us believe in the right to kill innocent humans in utero.

Are you willing to die because you yourself may not be able to get healthcare if you're pregnant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The beauty of the USA is that we can each vote for whomever we like. We can canvas, we can not canvas. We can go to rallies. We can stay home. Freedom of choice.

Do you drama queens truly not understand this?

You left out “because we have a democratic system.”

One option in this election will be infringing on many people’s rights, including the right to fair and open elections. That’s pretty bad.

Can you link where Trump has said he is against fair and open elections? Because this I haven’t heard.

Seriously? J6 and fake electors and refusal to have a peaceful transition of power ring a bell? At a recent rally he said if you vote for him this time, you'll never have to worry about voting again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am I wrong? Americans are very individualistic. In other words, if an issue makes sense to them they can care less it may hurt someone else. I think drives a lot support for Mr Trump. Our own self interest are celebrated and encouraged.

For example a woman in a red state with draconian abortion laws will vote Trump because if she is a woman with financial means she knows that she can find a WAY to have an abortion for her daughter should she needs. So this woman does not care about another woman with less means who will be have no choice but to carry that child. Sadly we as a people think about ourselves a lot and only ourselves.

Yes, I am a woman with financial means, but I would never spend a dime so my daughter could have an abortion. I believe in the sanctity of human life in all cases.

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

doesn't always work out so great

[Anonymous]

Nope: crime is down, not up. The other two issues were exacerbated by Trump era policies that we are still dealing with.

How can people spout this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

I'm fine if dh doesn't want to do canvassing or phone banking, not everyone is cut out for those things and that's ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op I get it you are right

Most people think oh in four years we can vote him out so whatever

NO there will never be another election

You sound completely unhinged.
Cry more.