S/O - insights from professors?

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Can you tell which students attended private prep high schools versus those with a public high school background ?

I am familiar with private day & boarding schools throughout the nation and would be shocked if graduates lacked the skills and maturity noted above by several posters.


That is not something a professor would know or ask (or care about).


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why do you think professors know your kid's HS?


My kid’s professors know his high school because some of them have sent their kids there.


Hit sent too soon. Plenty of kids wear stuff with their HS on it.


I doubt it... Who knows all these random high schools anyway? Many professors at top schools are new immigrants and can't relate to any of that.



So you don't know of any private high schools in the ares you live? Doubt it.


Take the DMV alone. I know a small number of schools, not all, but I certainly don't know how they relate to each other or which ones are 'better' than which other ones (I'm also of the firm belief that the best school for any given student should be independent of prestige indices). I'm pretty sure that anything starting with "St." is religious, anything whose name talks about bucolic landscapes is private, and anything involving the word "prep" is expensive. This affects my teaching and my assessment of my students by a factor of exactly nothing. All I want to do is help them learn and succeed, so I figure out where their skills are and then show them how to work so that they will improve.



If you live in say, Alexandria, you will see the same car stickers/apparel over and over again in your daily life. If a professor who lives there has no idea about any of the schools in their own area, they must be ostriches.


Sure, I know _of_ them (more the ones near where I live, as you point out), but I rarely know anything substantive about them or how people game them against each other. They're mostly just names to me.


I personally have a kid in private school, so yes I am very familiar with the private schools in my area because I had to make a selection. But even if I do know which public or private schools have a good reputation for rigor and which do not, I find it hard to understand why I should care where your kids went to high school once they have been admitted to college. Maybe the admissions office cares when they are evaluating HS rigor. But once you're in college, only your college performance matters. If you get excellent grades in my classes, turn in intelligent work, and are responsible and polite, I will be impressed. This is all that matters. I have never once thought, "I have a bunch of students wanting to work in my lab, but Sally went to Elite Prep, so clearly she has the edge." This would be a ridiculous way to think, since I have talented students from all over the country and they come from a diverse range of high schools.



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Anonymous wrote:To Professors:

Can you tell which students attended private prep high schools versus those with a public high school background ?

I am familiar with private day & boarding schools throughout the nation and would be shocked if graduates lacked the skills and maturity noted above by several posters.


That is not something a professor would know or ask (or care about).


+1
why do you think professors know your kid's HS?


My kid’s professors know his high school because some of them have sent their kids there.


Hit sent too soon. Plenty of kids wear stuff with their HS on it.


I doubt it... Who knows all these random high schools anyway? Many professors at top schools are new immigrants and can't relate to any of that.



So you don't know of any private high schools in the ares you live? Doubt it.


Take the DMV alone. I know a small number of schools, not all, but I certainly don't know how they relate to each other or which ones are 'better' than which other ones (I'm also of the firm belief that the best school for any given student should be independent of prestige indices). I'm pretty sure that anything starting with "St." is religious, anything whose name talks about bucolic landscapes is private, and anything involving the word "prep" is expensive. This affects my teaching and my assessment of my students by a factor of exactly nothing. All I want to do is help them learn and succeed, so I figure out where their skills are and then show them how to work so that they will improve.



If you live in say, Alexandria, you will see the same car stickers/apparel over and over again in your daily life. If a professor who lives there has no idea about any of the schools in their own area, they must be ostriches.


Sure, I know _of_ them (more the ones near where I live, as you point out), but I rarely know anything substantive about them or how people game them against each other. They're mostly just names to me.


I personally have a kid in private school, so yes I am very familiar with the private schools in my area because I had to make a selection. But even if I do know which public or private schools have a good reputation for rigor and which do not, I find it hard to understand why I should care where your kids went to high school once they have been admitted to college. Maybe the admissions office cares when they are evaluating HS rigor. But once you're in college, only your college performance matters. If you get excellent grades in my classes, turn in intelligent work, and are responsible and polite, I will be impressed. This is all that matters. I have never once thought, "I have a bunch of students wanting to work in my lab, but Sally went to Elite Prep, so clearly she has the edge." This would be a ridiculous way to think, since I have talented students from all over the country and they come from a diverse range of high schools.



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+1 also. I think so many people are hung up on (or in some cases entitled about) what the name brand of their school can do for them in the future (or to open doors). I'd hope most professors are like this one and know better. People who have gone through Ph.D. programs know better than anyone that talented students in graduate programs can come from a wide variety of hs and college backgrounds (not just in US, but other countries).
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Anonymous wrote:To Professors:

Can you tell which students attended private prep high schools versus those with a public high school background ?

I am familiar with private day & boarding schools throughout the nation and would be shocked if graduates lacked the skills and maturity noted above by several posters.


Not really; not consistently. If I had to draw patterns, I'd say: Private school students tend to have more familiarity with the writing expectations and higher initial skills, but the good public school students are more likely to rapidly improve from feedback. This sometimes results in more growth and more interest which is likely to make them the strongest students. I would say that private school students are more likely to be over-represented in the top quartile of my students, but likely to be slight under-represented in the top 1%. Private school students seem to be more likely to attend office hours and have more composure in that context. They are definitely not, as a group, stronger in intellectual curiosity. If I forced to generalize, I'd say they tend to have less--at least less than the good public students--but the difference isn't noticeable and I could be wrong. The most consequential difference is unsurprising: the private schools students tend not to fall in the "worst" group. So less variability, which makes my job easier.

The private school students who struggle seem tired, set free and/or above it all rather than not capable. My most aggressive, outrageous "grade-grubbing" experiences have happened to have been with private school students, but I don't blame that on their schools rather just a personal sense of entitlement and a belief that everything is negotiable. All students, wherever they went to school, seem to struggle with managing distractions now on their own, and there doesn't seem to be a difference between groups.


Yikes - I hope you are not my kids professor.

You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions about private HS kids. How can you even tell where they went to school? Or are you basing this more on social economic status than anything else? What are the outward signs of wealth you are basing this on? Type of jacket? Type of shoes?




They were literally ASKED to give these opinions!?! My interpretation is they made these based on the students that did reveal their background and that for many students, they didn't know their background and didn't make assumptions.

I’m guessing the PP is just upset it wasn’t the answer she was looking for in this case. If the professor had said private school kids are great and/or public school kids suck—that PP wouldn’t have responded by being offended.
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