Someone in Arlington killed an adult black bear, and left them in a big plastic bag

[Anonymous]

The bear was struck by a vehicle in Prince William County, stuffed in the garbage bag, driven 20-odd miles and dumped in Arlington. WTF?

At approximately 3:30 PM this afternoon, the Animal Welfare League of Arlington (AWLA) was notified by the Department of Wildlife Resources that a company contracted by the Virginia Department of Transportation (not VDOT employees) took responsibility for the incident. They stated that the bear had been struck by a vehicle on I-66 in Prince William County, and then workers transported the bear to Arlington and illegally dumped the bear over an overpass onto the Custis Memorial Trail.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/06/03/just-in-dead-bear-was-struck-by-driver-before-being-dumped-in-arlington-awla-says/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Possibly the bear darted out in front of a vehicle which hit and killed it.

Prefer that scenario over possibility of a barbaric intent to remove organ parts from the poor bear. Sheesh.

Have you ever pulled over and put a 200 lb dead animal in a trash bag after hitting with your car? Would you ever if you did? Ever hear of anyone doing that?


So i guess we can rule that out.

LMAO. You are so wrong, and I am so right. Told you so!

Sorry, but couldn't resist rubbing it in.

Poor bear.

[Anonymous]

Agree; poor bear!

What I want to know is, after the initial collision with the bear, why didn’t the driver take the bear to the veterinarian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bear was struck by a vehicle in Prince William County, stuffed in the garbage bag, driven 20-odd miles and dumped in Arlington. WTF?

At approximately 3:30 PM this afternoon, the Animal Welfare League of Arlington (AWLA) was notified by the Department of Wildlife Resources that a company contracted by the Virginia Department of Transportation (not VDOT employees) took responsibility for the incident. They stated that the bear had been struck by a vehicle on I-66 in Prince William County, and then workers transported the bear to Arlington and illegally dumped the bear over an overpass onto the Custis Memorial Trail.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/06/03/just-in-dead-bear-was-struck-by-driver-before-being-dumped-in-arlington-awla-says/

can you imagine seeing or being hit by this being thrown over the overpass soundwall?

[Anonymous]

Those guys are gonna be pissed when they find out how much money that gall bladder could’ve gotten them. They shoulda stopped by the Eden Center.

[Anonymous]

So is the company who had a government contract to dispose of the bear, but illegally dumped it going to face any repercussions? I wonder why they weren’t named?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Possibly the bear darted out in front of a vehicle which hit and killed it.

Prefer that scenario over possibility of a barbaric intent to remove organ parts from the poor bear. Sheesh.

And so then the nice person pulled over, got out of the vehicle, and checked to see if the bear would survive. Seeing it was dead, they very helpfully took an industrial-sized garbage bag out of their trunk, tidily wrestled the bear inside, and left it in the ditch. Of course they planned to call animal control or waste management to take care of the discarded bear, but what with the rising costs of housing and recent political upheaval in the Middle East, they totally forgot they killed and bagged a bear that morning.

Or maybe it was some fine fellow out on a walk who found the dead bear. Aghast, he pulled an industrial-sized trash bag out of his pocket, wrestled the bear into it, and then completely forgot what he did as he wandered off.

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"Sheesh." People aren't jumping to bear parts because they are ghoulish, but because they don't live in Fantasyland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Possibly the bear darted out in front of a vehicle which hit and killed it.

Prefer that scenario over possibility of a barbaric intent to remove organ parts from the poor bear. Sheesh.

And so then the nice person pulled over, got out of the vehicle, and checked to see if the bear would survive. Seeing it was dead, they very helpfully took an industrial-sized garbage bag out of their trunk, tidily wrestled the bear inside, and left it in the ditch. Of course they planned to call animal control or waste management to take care of the discarded bear, but what with the rising costs of housing and recent political upheaval in the Middle East, they totally forgot they killed and bagged a bear that morning.

Or maybe it was some fine fellow out on a walk who found the dead bear. Aghast, he pulled an industrial-sized trash bag out of his pocket, wrestled the bear into it, and then completely forgot what he did as he wandered off.

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"Sheesh." People aren't jumping to bear parts because they are ghoulish, but because they don't live in Fantasyland.

Except the real story was it got hit by a car and then put in a trash bag and disposed of improperly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way the body of an adult black bear is fitting in a typical 55 gallon black trash bag. And adult black bear can weigh between 200 and 600 pounds. assuming it was average size for an adult bear in Virginia that would be about 275 lbs.


Probably someone trapped or killed a bear somewhere else, brought the body to a local Asian herbal medicine dealer, where the gall bladder and other parts with “medicinal” value were cut out, and then the cut up remains were bagged and dumped.


100% guarantee that the necropsy will show the gall bladder was cut out. Bear gall bladders are worth hundreds to even thousands of dollars from Chinese herbal medicine providers.

Ah the DCUM racists are out this weekend.

Do you think there's any science behind treating people with bear parts, or any medicinal value when used that way?

I don't care what culture promotes it -- it's just medieval thinking.

Um yes. There is science behind it. I'm not saying people should poach bears to get it. But you are simply wrong (and racist?) to think that there is no proven scientific benefit.

Modern investigations showed that it has a wide range of pharmacological actions with little toxicological side effect and the pure compounds have been used for curing hepatic and biliary disorders for decades.

Modern pharmacological research showed that bear bile has the following pharmacological actions: (1) antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory effect, (2) anti-hepatotoxic effect, (3) choleretic lithagogic effect, (4) anti-liver fibrosis, anti-tumor, anti-pyretic and sedative effect, (5) anti-convulsant and analgesic effect, (6) lowering lipid and hypotensive effect, (7) anti-tussive and anti-asthmatic effect, (8) improving eyesight, (9) anti-stress and relaxing effect

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630947/

So tell me what is better about raw bear bile extract over synthesized UDCA, which has been made in laboratories since 1955? That's what modern medicine that has moved on from the last century uses to dissolve gallstones, and it has no impurities or contaminants.

Or would you have diabetic children suck on animal pancreases instead of using pure synthesized insulin? Really?

The question was whether there is any science behind it or medicinal value. The answer is that there is science-backed medicinal value.
The implication was that the use was somehow hocus-pocus superstition. It isn't.

I already said that people shouldn't be killing bears for this purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This must be a white woman thing. It's a wild animal, why does this matter? I mean not that I'm out killing animals for sport but stuff happens. As for the construction guys that hit it, couldn't they just keep on moving? Like do people stop when they hit deer - they may stop bc their car is damaged but do they stop to render assistance to the deer/move the deer? I'm guessing not - whoever deals with roadkill for the county deals with it. Why is this so different? I'm not white so I totally don't get the scandal here.

The scandal is the contractors, paid by the state to pick up and dispose of road kill, instead drove it into Arlington and threw it off an overpass for reasons unknown. Which, considering Arlington is densely populated with trails all along 66, it was only a matter of time before it was discovered.

This exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way the body of an adult black bear is fitting in a typical 55 gallon black trash bag. And adult black bear can weigh between 200 and 600 pounds. assuming it was average size for an adult bear in Virginia that would be about 275 lbs.


Probably someone trapped or killed a bear somewhere else, brought the body to a local Asian herbal medicine dealer, where the gall bladder and other parts with “medicinal” value were cut out, and then the cut up remains were bagged and dumped.


100% guarantee that the necropsy will show the gall bladder was cut out. Bear gall bladders are worth hundreds to even thousands of dollars from Chinese herbal medicine providers.

Ah the DCUM racists are out this weekend.

Do you think there's any science behind treating people with bear parts, or any medicinal value when used that way?

I don't care what culture promotes it -- it's just medieval thinking.

Um yes. There is science behind it. I'm not saying people should poach bears to get it. But you are simply wrong (and racist?) to think that there is no proven scientific benefit.

Modern investigations showed that it has a wide range of pharmacological actions with little toxicological side effect and the pure compounds have been used for curing hepatic and biliary disorders for decades.

Modern pharmacological research showed that bear bile has the following pharmacological actions: (1) antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory effect, (2) anti-hepatotoxic effect, (3) choleretic lithagogic effect, (4) anti-liver fibrosis, anti-tumor, anti-pyretic and sedative effect, (5) anti-convulsant and analgesic effect, (6) lowering lipid and hypotensive effect, (7) anti-tussive and anti-asthmatic effect, (8) improving eyesight, (9) anti-stress and relaxing effect

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630947/

So tell me what is better about raw bear bile extract over synthesized UDCA, which has been made in laboratories since 1955? That's what modern medicine that has moved on from the last century uses to dissolve gallstones, and it has no impurities or contaminants.

Or would you have diabetic children suck on animal pancreases instead of using pure synthesized insulin? Really?

The question was whether there is any science behind it or medicinal value. The answer is that there is science-backed medicinal value.
The implication was that the use was somehow hocus-pocus superstition. It isn't.

I already said that people shouldn't be killing bears for this purpose.

There is NO science-backed medicinal value to obtaining ursodeoxycholic acid from bears instead of synthetically, as we have done since the 1950s. Just like there is no science-backed medicinal value to sucking willow tree bark instead of using aspirin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bear was struck by a vehicle in Prince William County, stuffed in the garbage bag, driven 20-odd miles and dumped in Arlington. WTF?

At approximately 3:30 PM this afternoon, the Animal Welfare League of Arlington (AWLA) was notified by the Department of Wildlife Resources that a company contracted by the Virginia Department of Transportation (not VDOT employees) took responsibility for the incident. They stated that the bear had been struck by a vehicle on I-66 in Prince William County, and then workers transported the bear to Arlington and illegally dumped the bear over an overpass onto the Custis Memorial Trail.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/06/03/just-in-dead-bear-was-struck-by-driver-before-being-dumped-in-arlington-awla-says/

Imagine passing through and having a dead bear in a bag dropped on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way the body of an adult black bear is fitting in a typical 55 gallon black trash bag. And adult black bear can weigh between 200 and 600 pounds. assuming it was average size for an adult bear in Virginia that would be about 275 lbs.


Probably someone trapped or killed a bear somewhere else, brought the body to a local Asian herbal medicine dealer, where the gall bladder and other parts with “medicinal” value were cut out, and then the cut up remains were bagged and dumped.


100% guarantee that the necropsy will show the gall bladder was cut out. Bear gall bladders are worth hundreds to even thousands of dollars from Chinese herbal medicine providers.

Ah the DCUM racists are out this weekend.

Do you think there's any science behind treating people with bear parts, or any medicinal value when used that way?

I don't care what culture promotes it -- it's just medieval thinking.

Um yes. There is science behind it. I'm not saying people should poach bears to get it. But you are simply wrong (and racist?) to think that there is no proven scientific benefit.

Modern investigations showed that it has a wide range of pharmacological actions with little toxicological side effect and the pure compounds have been used for curing hepatic and biliary disorders for decades.

Modern pharmacological research showed that bear bile has the following pharmacological actions: (1) antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory effect, (2) anti-hepatotoxic effect, (3) choleretic lithagogic effect, (4) anti-liver fibrosis, anti-tumor, anti-pyretic and sedative effect, (5) anti-convulsant and analgesic effect, (6) lowering lipid and hypotensive effect, (7) anti-tussive and anti-asthmatic effect, (8) improving eyesight, (9) anti-stress and relaxing effect

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630947/

So tell me what is better about raw bear bile extract over synthesized UDCA, which has been made in laboratories since 1955? That's what modern medicine that has moved on from the last century uses to dissolve gallstones, and it has no impurities or contaminants.

Or would you have diabetic children suck on animal pancreases instead of using pure synthesized insulin? Really?

The question was whether there is any science behind it or medicinal value. The answer is that there is science-backed medicinal value.
The implication was that the use was somehow hocus-pocus superstition. It isn't.

I already said that people shouldn't be killing bears for this purpose.

There is NO science-backed medicinal value to obtaining ursodeoxycholic acid from bears instead of synthetically, as we have done since the 1950s. Just like there is no science-backed medicinal value to sucking willow tree bark instead of using aspirin.

Jesus thank you. Someone scientifically literate. With a brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way the body of an adult black bear is fitting in a typical 55 gallon black trash bag. And adult black bear can weigh between 200 and 600 pounds. assuming it was average size for an adult bear in Virginia that would be about 275 lbs.


Probably someone trapped or killed a bear somewhere else, brought the body to a local Asian herbal medicine dealer, where the gall bladder and other parts with “medicinal” value were cut out, and then the cut up remains were bagged and dumped.


100% guarantee that the necropsy will show the gall bladder was cut out. Bear gall bladders are worth hundreds to even thousands of dollars from Chinese herbal medicine providers.

Ah the DCUM racists are out this weekend.

Do you think there's any science behind treating people with bear parts, or any medicinal value when used that way?

I don't care what culture promotes it -- it's just medieval thinking.

Um yes. There is science behind it. I'm not saying people should poach bears to get it. But you are simply wrong (and racist?) to think that there is no proven scientific benefit.

Modern investigations showed that it has a wide range of pharmacological actions with little toxicological side effect and the pure compounds have been used for curing hepatic and biliary disorders for decades.

Modern pharmacological research showed that bear bile has the following pharmacological actions: (1) antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory effect, (2) anti-hepatotoxic effect, (3) choleretic lithagogic effect, (4) anti-liver fibrosis, anti-tumor, anti-pyretic and sedative effect, (5) anti-convulsant and analgesic effect, (6) lowering lipid and hypotensive effect, (7) anti-tussive and anti-asthmatic effect, (8) improving eyesight, (9) anti-stress and relaxing effect

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630947/

So tell me what is better about raw bear bile extract over synthesized UDCA, which has been made in laboratories since 1955? That's what modern medicine that has moved on from the last century uses to dissolve gallstones, and it has no impurities or contaminants.

Or would you have diabetic children suck on animal pancreases instead of using pure synthesized insulin? Really?

The question was whether there is any science behind it or medicinal value. The answer is that there is science-backed medicinal value.
The implication was that the use was somehow hocus-pocus superstition. It isn't.

I already said that people shouldn't be killing bears for this purpose.

There is NO science-backed medicinal value to obtaining ursodeoxycholic acid from bears instead of synthetically, as we have done since the 1950s. Just like there is no science-backed medicinal value to sucking willow tree bark instead of using aspirin.

It is strange to me that something that you say is so firmly established to be better (synthetic UDCA) would still need to be the subject of several research papers in the past decade calling for more research to firmly establish that proposition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4819118/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630947/

[Anonymous]

But how do we know the bear would not have made a full recovery if it had received appropriate veterinary care instead of being stuffed in a plastic bag?