Student apprehended with loaded gun at Gaithersburg High

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

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Anonymous wrote:SOURCE: https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-man-arrested-for-possession-of-loaded-privately-manufactured-handgun-gaithersburg-high-school-montgomery-county-public-schools-mcps-gun-weapon#

An 18-year-old from Maryland was arrested Tuesday for possession of a loaded privately manufactured handgun on the campus of Gaithersburg High School, according to police.

Community Engagement Officers with Gaithersburg Police were called to the school in the 100 block of Education Boulevard around 10:46 a.m.

During an investigation, Montgomery County Public Schools’ (MCPS) security personnel made conduct with Josue Rivas, 18. According to officials, the security team conducted a search and found a loaded handgun while officers were present.

MCPS, at what point are you going to make increasing and improving safety and security a priority? How many of these incidents need to happen before the BOE and leadership react?

I mean, they CAUGHT HIM. What is your point about making improving safety and security a priority? They caught him.

In an ideal world, he would have NEVER been able to get on campus with a gun. That's what I mean by improving safety and security. Because not every shooter is going to be as forthcoming as this student was before something tragic happens, as we saw the Marguder shooting a few years ago.

What has MCPS put in place, post-Magruder, to prevent another student from coming on campus and shooting a peer or a teacher? Based on this student successfully coming onto Gaithersburg's HS campus with a gun undetected, nothing much.

This was a ghost gun, so would a metal detector even have detected it?

Metal detectors are old security tech. Most schools are implementing modern weapons detectors, which yes, would have caught a ghost gun.

This was explained recently as our neighboring school district, Prince William County Schools, invested in Evolv, one such modern weapons detection system:

Evolv can detect ghost, 3-D printed, and simulated guns

SOURCE: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/pwcs/Board.nsf/files/CR32DP01B4D8/$file/230419%20FINAL_Safety%20and%20Security%20Update_PPT_04.19.2023.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

So is MD. So putting this forth as the remedy to our problem is a waste of time.

And even if you're passionate about a federal gun control ban, MCPS is not the entity to lobby that for. And furthermore, if you're serious about the issue, you'd know that getting something like that in place is highly unlikely given the 2nd amendment. So stop distracting from the topic with a side conversation on federal gun control, which you're free to discuss in the Political Discussion forum: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/forums/show/39.page

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

It's also about people who do belong in our school buildings, like this student, bringing in things that do not belong there, like weapons or drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

It's also about people who do belong in our school buildings, like this student, bringing in things that do not belong there, like weapons or drugs.

I agree smaller schools would allow staff to know everybody and not allow strangers in.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

True but that’s not what is happening.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

True but that’s not what is happening.

Are you claiming CEOs are not dedicated by cluster? That's not what I know to be factually true having interacted with MCPD leadership that oversees the CEO program.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

So what now we need a small police force for MCPS. 214 officers so each school has one, a supply of backup officers, new weapons detection systems, etc.

Wouldn't be a bad start IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we need SROs. It shouldn’t be up to school personnel to handle weapons, fights, and drugs. Those are police matters and they are continuously happening in MCPS high schools and middle schools.

My school had a recent gun scare and all classes had to shelter in place until the police arrived. Apparently, students claimed their classmate had a visible gun in their bag. They told their teacher at the start of class. The teacher had to notify the office, who had to call administrators, who then called the police. Luckily, the student turned out to not have a gun. However, that child, his teacher, and his classmates were locked in the classroom for about 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for police to arrive on scene. If we had an SRO, he would’ve been at the classroom in minutes to handle the situation.

This.

Schools have SROs

Not MCPS. We have CEOs. They don't have the same acting capacity as SROs.

It’s not only the same it’s the exactly the same humans.

They have an office now in the school
So they can be in the school instead of in their car.

No, it isn't. They can't walk the halls. They are relegated to an office space.

That’s untrue.

They can discipline… they can walk the halls.

When writing reports they are in an office, they use to sit in their car.

Um.. ok, so why are they called CEOs rather than SROs? What is the difference? Is the renaming just to make the progressives feel better about it? Or is there some difference?

CEO’s cant discipline they can only get involved in crimes.


SROs could discipline kids at will even when they had not committed a crime and SROs were not trained in normal teen development. Like they could discipline a student for dragging his backpack instead of carrying it because they thought it was rude. They could stop them, stand them up against the wall, question them and correct them.., for dragging their backpack. (This is a real incident)

So, when the PP stated "They can discipline…" that was incorrect.

They're trying to mislead people to push their SRO agenda. They probably work for the police union.

What’s your agenda and your affiliation? Why don’t you care about keeping our kids and teachers safe?

How did SROs keep everyone safe at Uvalde and Parkland?

I mean seatbelts save lives so we all wear them. Yet sometimes, people die in car crashes anyway. Are you saying why bother with seatbelts because they’re not effective 100% of the time?

This is a flawed argument. Seatbelts are not armed police officers. Gun control, however, works well in other countries. We should consider stricter gun laws.

Chicago's strict gun laws have not stopped students from getting shot in or near schools.

Newsflash: Most people who commit crime don't care about the laws that are on the books.

Therefore, we need to worry about the mechanisms in place to identify those who are breaking the law and hold them accountable. Laws on the books alone don't change people's behavior. Enforcement and action do.

I’m guessing you actually want to understand but Chicago is surrounded by places with no gun laws so their laws are essentially mooted

What about DC? DC has strict gun laws, as does MoCo.

This is not really about guns. It's about people having access to our school buildings who do not belong there. We have seen this over and over - people simply walking into the school building (the RM robbery in the bathroom, for example).

RM has an SRO.

RM has a CEO that it shares with its cluster of middle and elementary schools.

No different than the SRO program.

The security guard raped a student … nobody even cared.

A dedicated resource to one school vs a shared resource across 7-8 schools is not the same thing...

True but that’s not what is happening.

Are you claiming CEOs are not dedicated by cluster? That's not what I know to be factually true having interacted with MCPD leadership that oversees the CEO program.

The true statement is the old program had

One resource who is only assigned to one school, has no backup and nobody shows when they are sick and there was no oversight

Vs the new program has

Multiple resources assigned to a cluster to provide coverage, backup, and oversight.