The golden age of American Jews is ending

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

I’m a different poster, but feel the same way, so I’ll respond:

Are you saying you support human rights abuses by Muslim theocracies? It sounds like you agree that Israel commits atrocities with American money, but you’re arguing it’s okay because American money has funded human rights abuses in Muslim theocracies in the past.

I’ll indulge this line of thinking that it’s only fair for Israel to get a turn to commit genocide.

The difference is the scale.

In recent history, Israel is the only country to receive billions in military funding from the U.S. — and they’re openly using this money to commit a genocide. Of course people are going to protest.

Please define genocide. Israel has been adjacent and overlapping and yes fighting with Palestine for nearly a century while the Palestinian people have grown hugely in population, far higher than the worldwide average. Meanwhile Palestine’s leaders have consistently made war on all their Arab neighbors.

I agree with you that Israel is not committing genocide, but I don't think this bolded part is true.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

I’m a different poster, but feel the same way, so I’ll respond:

Are you saying you support human rights abuses by Muslim theocracies? It sounds like you agree that Israel commits atrocities with American money, but you’re arguing it’s okay because American money has funded human rights abuses in Muslim theocracies in the past.

I’ll indulge this line of thinking that it’s only fair for Israel to get a turn to commit genocide.

The difference is the scale.

In recent history, Israel is the only country to receive billions in military funding from the U.S. — and they’re openly using this money to commit a genocide. Of course people are going to protest.

Please define genocide. Israel has been adjacent and overlapping and yes fighting with Palestine for nearly a century while the Palestinian people have grown hugely in population, far higher than the worldwide average. Meanwhile Palestine’s leaders have consistently made war on all their Arab neighbors.

Physically isolating a populace, bombing them and denying them adequate food supplies seems like a good example

Is Egypt not isolating Gazans? They are building a giant wall.

The land is part of Israel, the control the airspace, navigation rights, and borders

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

I’m a different poster, but feel the same way, so I’ll respond:

Are you saying you support human rights abuses by Muslim theocracies? It sounds like you agree that Israel commits atrocities with American money, but you’re arguing it’s okay because American money has funded human rights abuses in Muslim theocracies in the past.

I’ll indulge this line of thinking that it’s only fair for Israel to get a turn to commit genocide.

The difference is the scale.

In recent history, Israel is the only country to receive billions in military funding from the U.S. — and they’re openly using this money to commit a genocide. Of course people are going to protest.

Please define genocide. Israel has been adjacent and overlapping and yes fighting with Palestine for nearly a century while the Palestinian people have grown hugely in population, far higher than the worldwide average. Meanwhile Palestine’s leaders have consistently made war on all their Arab neighbors.

Physically isolating a populace, bombing them and denying them adequate food supplies seems like a good example

Is Egypt not isolating Gazans? They are building a giant wall.

The land is part of Israel, the control the airspace, navigation rights, and borders

The Raffah border is with Egypt. Egypt can open that border.

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I think Israel's actions over the last several months has forced Americans to question our previously unquestioned, unchallenged, blind support for Israel and their citizens. No more. And that doesn't sit well with many Jewish Americans. But Americans, Jewish and non-Jewish, are entitled to have an opinion and can convey their opinion at the ballot box.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

Something that really struck me about the Atlantic article is that the writer characterizes the belief that Israel should be a bi-national state as anti-Semitic, because of the “naive” belief that Jewish people could survive in such a state. But historically, Jewish communities thrived in the Middle East, as did Christian communities. There’s an argument to be made that colonial meddling in the region was the source of the decline of these communities. I don’t say that as a “naive” person, I say that as a Middle Eastern Christian from one of those shrinking communities.

So the writer is coming from this lens of being a white, Western man. The “golden age” in the American Jewish community the author writes about was not really a golden age except for white people, and Jewish people were reaping some secondary benefits. I grew up in this era as a brown person and there was nothing golden about it. This is an era where a bunch of white guys arrogantly decided to invade a Middle Eastern country without even knowing wtf was going on there. The Atlantic author considers this a turning point in anti-semitism in the US, but I think it was also a turning point in this assumption that elite white men from the US know how to run the entire world. Americans lost their taste for nation building after Iraq and Afghanistan for good reason, and we are losing our taste for interfering in the Israel-Palestine problem for many of the same reasons.

Thank you for reminding everyone that Jews, Christians, Muslims and other sects coexisted quite peacefully in the Middle East until Zionism/Jewish supremacists came along and with the help of the British Empire and now the American empire destroyed that coexistence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Israel's actions over the last several months has forced Americans to question our previously unquestioned, unchallenged, blind support for Israel and their citizens. No more. And that doesn't sit well with many Jewish Americans. But Americans, Jewish and non-Jewish, are entitled to have an opinion and can convey their opinion at the ballot box.

Cool opinion bro. Also, not what this article or this thread is about.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

I’m a different poster, but feel the same way, so I’ll respond:

Are you saying you support human rights abuses by Muslim theocracies? It sounds like you agree that Israel commits atrocities with American money, but you’re arguing it’s okay because American money has funded human rights abuses in Muslim theocracies in the past.

I’ll indulge this line of thinking that it’s only fair for Israel to get a turn to commit genocide.

The difference is the scale.

In recent history, Israel is the only country to receive billions in military funding from the U.S. — and they’re openly using this money to commit a genocide. Of course people are going to protest.

Please define genocide. Israel has been adjacent and overlapping and yes fighting with Palestine for nearly a century while the Palestinian people have grown hugely in population, far higher than the worldwide average. Meanwhile Palestine’s leaders have consistently made war on all their Arab neighbors.

Here you go:

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1) Killing members of the group

2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Right, so… not genocide. It’s a war. War is terrible and has civilian casualties. Hamas chose the theatre of war here and it purposefully multiplies casualties.

But WHY is this thread talking about this? The article is talking about the golden age for Jews.

Take this talk over to the Gaza thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

I agree , the article doesn't cite much antisemitism in schools. If Jewish kids are threatened when people criticize Israel it's because they've been brainwashed to identify with Israel. My part Jewish kid hates Israel because she hasn't been told it's key to her safety and identity. It's not hard for her to understand why stealing land, killing people, and starving children is heinous no matter who the actor is.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

Yes American weapons have been used in atrocities around the world. But the US president wasn't acting like Saudi Arabia was the 51st state and making repeated, unequivocal statements of support for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

I agree , the article doesn't cite much antisemitism in schools. If Jewish kids are threatened when people criticize Israel it's because they've been brainwashed to identify with Israel. My part Jewish kid hates Israel because she hasn't been told it's key to her safety and identity. It's not hard for her to understand why stealing land, killing people, and starving children is heinous no matter who the actor is.

Does your child also hate Hamas?

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

I agree , the article doesn't cite much antisemitism in schools. If Jewish kids are threatened when people criticize Israel it's because they've been brainwashed to identify with Israel. My part Jewish kid hates Israel because she hasn't been told it's key to her safety and identity. It's not hard for her to understand why stealing land, killing people, and starving children is heinous no matter who the actor is.

This doesn't seem like antisemitism?

At the end of the session a student in a kippah, puffer jacket, and T-shirt pulled me aside. He said he wanted to speak privately, because he didn’t want to risk crying in front of his peers. After October 7, he said, his school life, as a visibly identifiable Jew, had become unbearable. Walking down the halls, kids would shout “Free Palestine” at him. They would make the sound of explosions, as if he were personally responsible for the bombardment of Gaza. They would tell him to pick up pennies. As he was walking into the gym to use one of its courts, a kid told him, “There goes the Jew, taking everyone’s land.”

The story doesn't say what that kid even thinks about Israel or Palestine. It just says he's a Jew who wears a kippah.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

I agree , the article doesn't cite much antisemitism in schools. If Jewish kids are threatened when people criticize Israel it's because they've been brainwashed to identify with Israel. My part Jewish kid hates Israel because she hasn't been told it's key to her safety and identity. It's not hard for her to understand why stealing land, killing people, and starving children is heinous no matter who the actor is.

Does your child also hate Hamas?

Why do people post this? Hamas is a terrorist organization, do you really want Israel to be seen in that light and held to those standards?

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What antisemitism? I really don’t see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

I agree , the article doesn't cite much antisemitism in schools. If Jewish kids are threatened when people criticize Israel it's because they've been brainwashed to identify with Israel. My part Jewish kid hates Israel because she hasn't been told it's key to her safety and identity. It's not hard for her to understand why stealing land, killing people, and starving children is heinous no matter who the actor is.

Does your child also hate Hamas?

She knows that Hamas is not supported by her parents' tax dollars. And she knows that many Hamas fighters are the descendents of refugees whose families Israel forced into Gaza during the Nakba when it stole the land upon which the kibbutzim were built, and that Israel has essentially turned Gaza into a prison for decades.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

The last I checked, none are actually using american weapons to slaughter people (not citizens because that privilege was never extended to them) living within their borders on a mass scale.

Saudi Arabia was using American weapons to slaughter people in Yemen not that long ago; not within their borders, but still not ideal. The U.S. government was using American weapons to slaughter people in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan recently, too. I guess that's different.

I’m a different poster, but feel the same way, so I’ll respond:

Are you saying you support human rights abuses by Muslim theocracies? It sounds like you agree that Israel commits atrocities with American money, but you’re arguing it’s okay because American money has funded human rights abuses in Muslim theocracies in the past.

I’ll indulge this line of thinking that it’s only fair for Israel to get a turn to commit genocide.

The difference is the scale.

In recent history, Israel is the only country to receive billions in military funding from the U.S. — and they’re openly using this money to commit a genocide. Of course people are going to protest.

Please define genocide. Israel has been adjacent and overlapping and yes fighting with Palestine for nearly a century while the Palestinian people have grown hugely in population, far higher than the worldwide average. Meanwhile Palestine’s leaders have consistently made war on all their Arab neighbors.

Here you go:

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1) Killing members of the group

2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Right, so… not genocide. It’s a war. War is terrible and has civilian casualties. Hamas chose the theatre of war here and it purposefully multiplies casualties.

But WHY is this thread talking about this? The article is talking about the golden age for Jews.

Take this talk over to the Gaza thread.

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Your mind is made up that there is no genocide going on and no amount of facts, statistics, definitions will ever change that. I hope you take the time to understand why people are protesting, why people are upset and why we want to stop funding Israel. Children are being starved to death because of Israel. People are NOT protesting against Jews so you don’t need to take this as a personal assault.