The golden age of American Jews is ending

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Anonymous wrote:For a long time, extremist Jewish organizations in the United States could hide behind mainstream Judaism to promote pretty horrific stuff in Israel. Any criticism of extremism would be attacked as antisemitism. Much like how the extremists in the Republican Party burned it to the ground, Jewish extremists have reached a tipping point with Israel.

If being against genocide makes me an antisemite, so be it.

If Israel were attempting to commit genocide, why would they warn Gazans of where they're going to bomb, and advise them to move out of that area?

Because they planned to bomb the areas all the families were fleeing towards

That didn’t happen.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

Who do you support?

Netanyahu’s Likud has become increasingly extremist over time, and realistically, any leader who stays in power for 3 decades has more in common with dictators than democracies.

I have become increasingly wary of Israeli foreign policy as Netanyahu’s decades long rule has a lot more similarity to Russia under Putin than any western democracy.

I do not support Israel under Netanyahu. I am in favor of a two state solution. In the immediate future, I support a ceasefire to at least slow the killing of civilians.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

Who do you support?

Netanyahu’s Likud has become increasingly extremist over time, and realistically, any leader who stays in power for 3 decades has more in common with dictators than democracies.

I have become increasingly wary of Israeli foreign policy as Netanyahu’s decades long rule has a lot more similarity to Russia under Putin than any western democracy.

I do not support Israel under Netanyahu. I am in favor of a two state solution. In the immediate future, I support a ceasefire to at least slow the killing of civilians.

Then to answer your question, no, that is not antisemitic.

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I reread the opening. I don't see a single reference to attacks on Jews, the protest was against Israel and there is no insinuation that any animus was directed to the 16 year old

[Anonymous]

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

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There's a religion's right to exist in countries with freedom of religion. Sure build a little building and call it a religion. You don't get to commandeer land tho.

I can't think of any way I could invent a theocracy, establish land and a government that's already outside of government, and be head of my own theocracy. Since I can't do it new, it's not a right. Certainly not a "right" for any existing ones. If they can keep it up, fine. Not a right though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Of course not. Theocracy as a form of government always leads to horrible human rights abuses. It’s terrible when Israeli Jews commit genocide and it’s terrible when Iranian Muslims commit human rights atrocities. How is this hard to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:Any questions or pointing out of anything related to being Jewish is immediately labeled as antisemitism. Doesn’t make you sympathetic to be honest.
The constant oppression Olympics participation is tiresome as well. Hatred towards URMs is also something not very pleasant.
At least that’s what I observe in ex USSR Jews of whom I know many.

Perhaps you could give an example of the “pointing out of anything related to being Jewish” that you feel is unfairly being labeled as antisemitism, and that is preventing you from doling out any sympathy towards Jews. Just wondering.

Like asking if they are bothered by how many kids died in Gaza. this is apparently antisemitism!
Fwiw I am neither from the Middle East nor Jewish

You cannot be serious.

The 'antisemitism' that the author leads the story with is a protest against Israel

Forget the author. Do you actually think that coming up to a Jewish person in America and asking them about dead kids in Gaza is not antisemitic?

But does that actually happen on any sort of regular basis? The author leads with this account of high schoolers because kids in high school are a-holes and they make his argument easy. When I was in high school I was against the Iraq war and kids came up to me and told me I wanted to f*** Saddam Hussein. Was that a larger statement on my existence or are kids just aholes? The whole article is actually really, really lazy writing.

I am asking you about the statement you made, not about the article.

PP you are responding to- i am a different poster, I didn’t make that statement, and I thought we were talking about the article. Why doesn’t anyone ever want to talk about the article?!?!

I don't mind talking about the article, and I have. I don't think it was a lazy article. I think you are missing the point of it, or refuse to see it though. When someone makes a joke against a minority that is a certain type of joke, it absolutely is racist/antisemitic/bigoted. It's true if a teen makes that joke too, and should be condemned, not brushed off in a "oh, well, kids will be kids!" type of way.

I’m not brushing it off- I actually lived that experience as a Middle Eastern person after 9-11 (which was a very, very distressing time in the US), and while my experience as a high schooler was directly related to the political and cultural tumult of the time, it was a product of that specific moment and much more complex than people just suddenly being racist towards Arabs. This doesn’t mean racism doesn’t exist or that antisemitism doesn’t exist, it means that this specific event of the war doesn’t determine the scope of what being a Jewish person in the US actually means. 9-11 changed a lot but fundamentally did not change my interactions with other Americans as an Arab American. It didn’t define my existence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Correct.

So you’re out there protesting them, signing petitions, talking about how to overthrow them with all your friends?

[Anonymous]

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Current events have me wondering, does the Jewish community in the U.S. consider it antisemitic to not support Israel?

If a gentile disagrees with Israeli foreign policy are they by definition antisemitic?

You don’t have to agree with Israeli foreign policy, but if you disagree with Israel’s right to exist, that is anti-Semitic.

Why is not supporting a theocracy's right to exist as a theocracy antisemitic?

So are you also not supporting all the Muslim theocracies in the world?

Of course not. Theocracy as a form of government always leads to horrible human rights abuses. It’s terrible when Israeli Jews commit genocide and it’s terrible when Iranian Muslims commit human rights atrocities. How is this hard to understand?

Because I don’t see anyone suggesting Iran shouldn’t exist.