Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

I agree that the Crumbleys should be found guilty of criminal behavior and understand that Adam Lanza was an adult. Nonetheless, responsible parents do not leave an adult child or a minor child with mental health issues alone with accessible guns. Nancy Lanza did not act in a responsible way. Neither did Adam's father.

responsive Family members dont leave mentally unstable people with access to firearms- they could hurt themselves or others at any age or stage. Whilst anything can be turned into a weapon, a firearm has the potential to d much more lasting and severe harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I honestly believe this verdict will save lives. Because of this, at least a few parents of troubled teenage boys will get rid of the guns they keep in their house, or will be extra vigilant about keeping their guns locked and secured, or will simply choose to *not* buy or provide guns for them under any circumstances. It’s sad that this is what it takes, but some future shootings will be averted.

Doubtful.

Ethan Crumbley had a serious mental illness. Where did it come from?
At least one of his parents probably also did, and the other married someone who did.

The law is written around the assumption of "reasonable person". A substantial portion of the population does not meet that cognitive standard (and several prominent politicians succeed by catering to this cohort ) and most likely the Crumbley parents are in that cohort.

To add, then they become unstable men with guns. How'd you like that in your neighborhood?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

I read an article that said Adam Lanza’s mother bought him the gun. She felt that it gave him a sense of responsibility or something to that effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will need to build a ton of prison cells if we are going to put all the negligent parents in jail.

Why did the other Jennifer Crumbley thread disappear?

That would be lovely.

However I will settle for
Columbine parents
Father of Sandy Hook shooter

And VT shooters parents held civilly libel and shunned from society. And any teacher that shit had in his school system and VT.

The Columbine parents were nothing like the Crumbleys.
Sandy Hook shooter's dad didn't live near him, Adam had refused to communicate with his father for a couple of years, plus Adam was a adult by then --I think 20 yo.

I am amazed that the kid's school didn't regard the blood, bullets, and "my life is useless" notes on his paper sufficient to immediately call child protective services, search his locker/backpack. Even if they had found nothing the note was disturbing enough to warrant an emergency psych assessment--which might or might not have resulted in concluding the kid needed hospitalization.
Prosecuting parents cannot be a matter of policy, but a decision made based on the specific situation and facts.

[Anonymous]

Prosecuting parents cannot be a matter of policy, but a decision made based on the specific situation and facts.

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

Totally. Way past time to admit the role of parents is gigantic, and schools cannot be tasked with every aspect of everything beyond education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will need to build a ton of prison cells if we are going to put all the negligent parents in jail.

Why did the other Jennifer Crumbley thread disappear?

That would be lovely.

However I will settle for
Columbine parents
Father of Sandy Hook shooter

And VT shooters parents held civilly libel and shunned from society. And any teacher that shit had in his school system and VT.

The Columbine parents were nothing like the Crumbleys.
Sandy Hook shooter's dad didn't live near him, Adam had refused to communicate with his father for a couple of years, plus Adam was a adult by then --I think 20 yo.

I am amazed that the kid's school didn't regard the blood, bullets, and "my life is useless" notes on his paper sufficient to immediately call child protective services, search his locker/backpack. Even if they had found nothing the note was disturbing enough to warrant an emergency psych assessment--which might or might not have resulted in concluding the kid needed hospitalization.
Prosecuting parents cannot be a matter of policy, but a decision made based on the specific situation and facts.

Where is the line between that ( warranting calls to CPS/search/emergency psych assessment) and "creative writing/free speech?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

I read an article that said Adam Lanza’s mother bought him the gun. She felt that it gave him a sense of responsibility or something to that effect.

There were multiple weapons in their home (guns, knives, and Samurai swords). Can't fathom what Nancy Lanza was thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will need to build a ton of prison cells if we are going to put all the negligent parents in jail.

Why did the other Jennifer Crumbley thread disappear?

That would be lovely.

However I will settle for
Columbine parents
Father of Sandy Hook shooter

And VT shooters parents held civilly libel and shunned from society. And any teacher that shit had in his school system and VT.

The Columbine parents were nothing like the Crumbleys.
Sandy Hook shooter's dad didn't live near him, Adam had refused to communicate with his father for a couple of years, plus Adam was a adult by then --I think 20 yo.

I am amazed that the kid's school didn't regard the blood, bullets, and "my life is useless" notes on his paper sufficient to immediately call child protective services, search his locker/backpack. Even if they had found nothing the note was disturbing enough to warrant an emergency psych assessment--which might or might not have resulted in concluding the kid needed hospitalization.
Prosecuting parents cannot be a matter of policy, but a decision made based on the specific situation and facts.

Where is the line between that ( warranting calls to CPS/search/emergency psych assessment) and "creative writing/free speech?"

That should be up to CPS. Some of these parents really are antisocial and out there. Some barely leave the house themselves. This starts and ends with checked out parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In this case the case had merit. But there are children who are violent despite the best parental efforts to keep the community safe. I hope long-suffering parents of such kids aren’t punished needlessly.

What have these parents done to get help for their child? If you know that your child is violent then have the kid committed! Parents should be held responsible for their child's bullying. Even one child killing themselves due to bullying is one too many. When you choose to have a child this means that you also have a responsibility to the neighborhood that your child is not a menance to society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

He hadn't been a student at Fairfax county schools for years. How long is someone supposed to be "accountable" for a crime they did not commit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

What, specifically, do you think Adam Lanza's father could have/should have done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The Sandy Hook shooter killed his mother. He had not seen his father in two years. There was no one to charge.

Was there any evidence that the dad had tried to get help for his son, during that time? He had massive mental health issues for far beyond those 2 years.

The Sandy Hook shooter was an adult. Try getting mental health treatment for an uncooperative adult and come back to us with all the answers.

There were many years between the divorce and Adam becoming an adult.

Okay, well getting mental health treatment for a minor teen and child is beyond difficult as well. When you can get an appointment (which the wait time is months/years in some cases), it's with a therapist. Getting actual medication and getting your minor teen to consume medication is a struggle.

I'm not absolving Lanza's parents, but I've been through the ringer to get my son diagnosed (bipolar II) and treated.

I know many do not like the answer, but access to guns is the issue that is easiest to control (for minors).

This is really what it all comes down to. It’s one thing to be a “checked out” parent, or to be overwhelmed by the effort it takes to get good mental health treatment. It is something else entirely to actually provide a gun to a teenaged boy with known mental health issues. That’s just unbelievably reckless.