Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She's 45?! She looks 65, at least. What a monster.

She's gained a lot of weight while incarcerated. She used to be thinner.

Prison food is terrible.

Yes prison food is starchy and gross, and there is very little opportunity to get exercise in jail as well. She is likely also very depressed and should probably be on suicide watch right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Columbine, I guess I don’t understand how Dylan Klebold’s parents were negligent. He was basically suicidal, which is really hard to know as a parent. They did not have guns — Klebold bought them from someone else.

I have a relative who took his own life, and it came as a 100% surprise to us. We had no idea why, until his letter was found — and even then, it still did not make much sense. I know parents who did everything they could to get their kid help, no no avail. Some thing you just cannot control.

Maybe the Crumbley’s were negligent in terms of not keeping their guns safe, but I think it’s a dangerous precedent to blame parents for their kids’ behavior.

Honestly, I agree. In a clear cut case like this one where the parents purchased the gun? Absolutely, hold them accountable. Don’t secure your own weapon and your kid uses it? Same. But even the best parents can struggle to help mentally ill kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The Sandy Hook shooter killed his mother. He had not seen his father in two years. There was no one to charge.

Was there any evidence that the dad had tried to get help for his son, during that time? He had massive mental health issues for far beyond those 2 years.

He was 20 years old. An adult. What can you do for an adult that doesn't want help?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Columbine, I guess I don’t understand how Dylan Klebold’s parents were negligent. He was basically suicidal, which is really hard to know as a parent. They did not have guns — Klebold bought them from someone else.

I have a relative who took his own life, and it came as a 100% surprise to us. We had no idea why, until his letter was found — and even then, it still did not make much sense. I know parents who did everything they could to get their kid help, no no avail. Some thing you just cannot control.

Maybe the Crumbley’s were negligent in terms of not keeping their guns safe, but I think it’s a dangerous precedent to blame parents for their kids’ behavior.

I think the verdict reflects that. She could have been just as horribly negligent but if she hadn’t bought a gun and carelessly made sure he had access to it, she wouldn’t have been charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

[Anonymous]

Similarly, the poorly parented Bucks County, PA kid (Miles Pfeffer) who killed the Temple University police officer should be held accountable, along with his parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was 20 years old. The Toyota Celica his dad bought him was sitting dead in the driveway because he hadn’t gone anywhere in months before the incident. He was in self imposed isolation in his room at home, freedom wasn’t the issue. Arguably his mother should have secured the guns in the home so he couldn’t access them without her permission but she was clearly oblivious that he posed any threat of violence, he had no history of violence before he shot her four times in the head.

Again, how would you hold Peter Lanza criminally responsible?

Sandy Hook was horrific. It makes us rage at the horror of it. But we need to be rational about where accountability can be placed and where it cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was 20 years old. The Toyota Celica his dad bought him was sitting dead in the driveway because he hadn’t gone anywhere in months before the incident. He was in self imposed isolation in his room at home, freedom wasn’t the issue. Arguably his mother should have secured the guns in the home so he couldn’t access them without her permission but she was clearly oblivious that he posed any threat of violence, he had no history of violence before he shot her four times in the head.

Again, how would you hold Peter Lanza criminally responsible?

Sandy Hook was horrific. It makes us rage at the horror of it. But we need to be rational about where accountability can be placed and where it cannot.

PP here. I don't have enough knowledge about Sandy Hook situation, but if the mother had not been killed by Adam, then I think she should have been held responsible. I also don't think Adam's father was sufficiently involved with his son's upbringing. Divorce shouldn't be a way out from parenting. I also think Adam demonstrated weirdness and mental health issues long before the shooting. Neither his mother nor father parented him well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The Sandy Hook shooter killed his mother. He had not seen his father in two years. There was no one to charge.

Was there any evidence that the dad had tried to get help for his son, during that time? He had massive mental health issues for far beyond those 2 years.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In this case the case had merit. But there are children who are violent despite the best parental efforts to keep the community safe. I hope long-suffering parents of such kids aren’t punished needlessly.

Virtually all school shooting cases are from kids who stole their parents' unsecured weapons. There is no reason none of those parents shouldn't be held accountable.

PP could be referring to other criminal cases that are not school shootings.

Indeed I was. I'm all for parental accountability, though! I just hope there won't be an incident where a parent who tried to do everything right is punished, on top of having a criminal kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was 20 years old. The Toyota Celica his dad bought him was sitting dead in the driveway because he hadn’t gone anywhere in months before the incident. He was in self imposed isolation in his room at home, freedom wasn’t the issue. Arguably his mother should have secured the guns in the home so he couldn’t access them without her permission but she was clearly oblivious that he posed any threat of violence, he had no history of violence before he shot her four times in the head.

Again, how would you hold Peter Lanza criminally responsible?

Sandy Hook was horrific. It makes us rage at the horror of it. But we need to be rational about where accountability can be placed and where it cannot.

PP here. I don't have enough knowledge about Sandy Hook situation, but if the mother had not been killed by Adam, then I think she should have been held responsible. I also don't think Adam's father was sufficiently involved with his son's upbringing. Divorce shouldn't be a way out from parenting. I also think Adam demonstrated weirdness and mental health issues long before the shooting. Neither his mother nor father parented him well.

You, sir or madam, are full of crap. The only sentence in your post that rings true is that you don’t have enough knowledge about the Sandy Hook incident. There are exhaustive reports readily available online from the Connecticut state attorneys office and in the media (Andrew Solomon’s piece in the New Yorker) which detail the lengths the Lanzas went to in attempting to get Adam treatments for his ASD and other issues. They were not perfect, but nobody could possibly suggest that he wasn’t parented well, which is why nobody had except mindless people on the internet sharing opinions without first knowing the facts.

It’s so easy to point fingers and blame the parents because it is much more complicated to admit how vulnerable we all are to our broken mental health system, which leaves parents with ZERO tools to help their kids once they are adults and can refuse treatments.

Educate yourself and keep opinions to yourself until they are based in facts.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DCJ/SandyHookFinalReportpdf.pdf

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DCJ/CompressedSandyHookReportpdf.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was 20 years old. The Toyota Celica his dad bought him was sitting dead in the driveway because he hadn’t gone anywhere in months before the incident. He was in self imposed isolation in his room at home, freedom wasn’t the issue. Arguably his mother should have secured the guns in the home so he couldn’t access them without her permission but she was clearly oblivious that he posed any threat of violence, he had no history of violence before he shot her four times in the head.

Again, how would you hold Peter Lanza criminally responsible?

Sandy Hook was horrific. It makes us rage at the horror of it. But we need to be rational about where accountability can be placed and where it cannot.

PP here. I don't have enough knowledge about Sandy Hook situation, but if the mother had not been killed by Adam, then I think she should have been held responsible. I also don't think Adam's father was sufficiently involved with his son's upbringing. Divorce shouldn't be a way out from parenting. I also think Adam demonstrated weirdness and mental health issues long before the shooting. Neither his mother nor father parented him well.

You, sir or madam, are full of crap. The only sentence in your post that rings true is that you don’t have enough knowledge about the Sandy Hook incident. There are exhaustive reports readily available online from the Connecticut state attorneys office and in the media (Andrew Solomon’s piece in the New Yorker) which detail the lengths the Lanzas went to in attempting to get Adam treatments for his ASD and other issues. They were not perfect, but nobody could possibly suggest that he wasn’t parented well, which is why nobody had except mindless people on the internet sharing opinions without first knowing the facts.

It’s so easy to point fingers and blame the parents because it is much more complicated to admit how vulnerable we all are to our broken mental health system, which leaves parents with ZERO tools to help their kids once they are adults and can refuse treatments.

Educate yourself and keep opinions to yourself until they are based in facts.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DCJ/SandyHookFinalReportpdf.pdf

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DCJ/CompressedSandyHookReportpdf.pdf

Leaving your son who has a history of mental health issues at home alone with guns in the home is not responsible parenting. Educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.